Talk:National Democratic Party of Germany

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Dresden bombing

This page is about the NPD, and is inappropriate for the discussion of the various estimates of casualities of the WWII bombing so exhaustively discussed in the talk pages of Bombing of Dresden in World War II. If you dispute the estimates given in that page, the place to discuss it is *there*. If you don't try to argue there, or fail to win your arguments, don't cry when your edits here are reverted without argument (all arguments which have appeared here have been raised there). --- Charles Stewart 14:13, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Here are a couple of online sources which might help people who do not trust a wikipedia article:
The first is a devastating critique of David Irving's Dresden numbers (typically 135K), which were used against him in his British libel court case Irving v. Penguin Books Limited, Deborah E. Lipstat. The second is interesting because using statistical analysis the number of dead mentioned by modern authoritative historians fits within the range of %ages of dead against populations in other German cities in which fire-storms were generated.
Two authoritative books, the first in German
  1. ^ Götz Bergander, Dresden im Luftkrieg: :Vorgeschichte-Zerstörung-Folgen (Wilhelm Heyne Verlag, Munich, 1977)
  2. Taylor, Frederick. Dresden: Tuesday, February 13, 1945. By Frederick Taylor;
    • US review, Pub (NY): HarperCollins, ISBN 0060006765.
    • [http://www.bloomsbury.com/BookCatalog/ProductItem.asp?S=&isbn=0747570787 UK
Appenix B Counting the Dead. --Philip Baird Shearer 19:17, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I have deleted the following line in this article:

"Later the same year the party used the slogan "Marx statt Hartz" (Marx instead of Hartz), a phrasing suggestive of sympathy for socialist ideas."

The above statement is wildly speculative and without any merit. It is also suggestive of the NPD's support for Marxist type Socialism (ie. Communism ) which is highly unlikely if not laughable.

Peter Marx is the NPD's parliamentary manager in Saxony. The slogan "Marx statt Hartz" ( Marx instead of Hartz ) is in all probability a reference to Peter Marx, and to either Peter Hartz, who is the personnel director of Volkswagon, or to the set of unpopular new labor laws known as the Hartz Concept ( Hartz I-IV ) which Volkswagon's Peter Hartz helped pushed through in Germany.

--Joanneva 5 July 2005 03:18 (UTC)


Dispute Section

I have marked two statements as being dubious as relating to certain facts being in question. It appears that for some portions of this article, the investigative process went no further than to relate data from certain web articles which were also in error.


1) The NPD person who used the phrase "holocaust of bombs" was not Holger Apfel but rather Jürgen Gansel. This is clearly designated in the minutes and actual speech text from the Sächsischer Landtag (Saxony Parliment) in document 4_PlPr_8_201_1_1_.pdf. I do not know if it would be a violation to upload the document therefore I am not but I do have a copy in my posession.


2) The original writer of this article also claims “He went on to call the Social Democratic leader of the parliament, Cornelius Weiss, "an old Jew",

Again using the same document as recorded by the Sächsischer Landtag and the same 4_PlPr_8_201_1_1_.pdf file where the complete comments of Jürgen Gansel's reference to a 'holocaust of bombs" (not Holger Apfel ) were recorded, I find that nowhere does he refer to Cornelius Weiss, as "an old Jew" nor did Holger Apfel for that matter.

--Joanneva 5 July 2005 21:42 (UTC)

The document I am referring to can be located by visiting the web site of the Sächsischer Landtag here [1]

The document is:

AktDeb NPD PlPr 4/8 21.01.2005 S.460

PlPr 4/8 S. 462 463

--Joanneva 7 July 2005 01:22 (UTC)

Irredentism VS. Pan-Germanism

In order for "Pan-Germanism" to occur, the areas that they are going into have to be German speaking. In order for "Irredentism" to occur it requires it to have a historical connection in which these territories do. The former Kingdom of Prussia which is now in Poland and Russia and is filled with those ethnic groups (Not Germans) So giving this party the name Pan-Germanism just because they say they want to reclaim land with immigration (some of it has been German since the Holy Roman empire era up until WWII when they were ethnically cleansed by the Russians) is demonizing to say the least. For those doubting Germans ever has a presence in the area I'm going to post maps to prove otherwise.-

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/49/Acprussiamap2.gif

  • German Empire:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7c/German_Empire%2C_Wilhelminian_third_version.svg/800px-German_Empire%2C_Wilhelminian_third_version.svg.png

Requested move 6 June 2023

National Democratic Party of Germany → The Homeland (Germany) – The party appears to have undergone a name change. Wondering whether other editors can confirm this and whether or not to move the page to this new name, an alternate one, or leave it as it is. Helper201 (talk) 17:11, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The German article was already renamed, so I think it is correct. Marval703 (talk) 10:21, 7 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Is the English name used somewhere? Wouldn't it be better to use Die Heimat (German political party)? Martin Tauchman (talk) 15:13, 7 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I think Die Heimat would be better than The Homeland. Aficionado538 (talk) 08:40, 8 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure if there is a specific Wikipedia policy regarding this or not but I think its standard practice on the English Wikipedia to use English language titles. For example, we use the title The Left (Germany), not the German language name, Die Linke. Helper201 (talk) 00:11, 9 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, the name changed did happen, though I would too be in favour of renaming the page to "Die Heimat" or "Die Heimat (political party)" instead of an English translation. --JonahF (talk) 09:26, 10 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English). Helper201 (talk) 20:03, 10 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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