Talk:Allegations of genocide in Donbas

I propose merging False accusations of genocide in Donbas into Ukraine v. Russian Federation (2022). These cover the same subject, the second article has much better coverage of it, and a much longer article history (from March 7, as opposed to July 9). The existence of a sparsely referenced article about false accusations gives the subject WP:UNDUE WEIGHT, as compared to an assessed actual risk of genocide by the other side, and could cause confusion with the important article Claims of genocide of Ukrainians in the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine. —Michael Z. 17:33, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose — I just expanded this article, and the subject of this article is Russia's accusations against Ukraine, not Ukraine's lawsuits against Russia. Newbamboo (talk) 14:25, 25 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It’s one lawsuit, and these accusations are central to it. The title can be changed. —Michael Z. 18:49, 25 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Maybe we could have a page for Russian propaganda regarding Ukraine and merge this article into there. We could also include here propaganda about Ukraine being Nazi Germany and about it not existing until yesterday morning. Super Ψ Dro 09:17, 26 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Sounds reasonable. There is Russian information war against Ukraine, and the oddly titled Disinformation in the 2021–2022 Russo-Ukrainian crisis. —Michael Z. 17:10, 26 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Accusations of genocide in Donbas → False accusations of genocide in Donbas – The title does not reflect a WP:neutral point of view. The accusations have been found to be unfounded by the International Criminal Court, and they are generally considered false and in bad faith. A report by 30 genocide and legal experts have labelled these accusation in a mirror, and part of the Russian state’s own incitement to genocide.[1] Having this article’s title reflect a false balance position of supposed “NPOV,”[2] while Genocide Convention violations and incitement to genocide is being committed by the accuser while doubt is cast on it with a WP:CLAIM in the title Claims of genocide of Ukrainians in the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine, is completely biased against neutrality and the POV of reliable sources.  —Michael Z. 19:24, 25 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose —Let the facts speak for themselves in the article, not in the title. Whether the accusation is true or not should not be concluded in the title, but should provide enough information in the text for readers to judge for themselves. Newbamboo (talk) 01:45, 26 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Well, it is a verifiable fact: reliable sources say these accusations are baseless and false. The court finds no evidence. The New Lines/Wallenberg report[3]:15 by 30 scholars called it a “baseless allegation.” —Michael Z. 17:26, 26 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose even though there clearly isn't an international Jewish conspiracy, such thing is not specified in the title of International Jewish conspiracy. Is there any article in Wikipedia which has a title in the style of the proposed one here? Super Ψ Dro 08:54, 26 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Apparently we consider “Accusation” and “False accusation” two distinct subjects. There are some articles that start with “Allegations of . . ., which seems more doubtful to me. —Michael Z. 17:21, 26 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose - These allegations may well be false, but we don't need to put it in the article title. PatGallacher (talk) 23:18, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose per the above. We would have a problem only if the title were something like "Genocide in Donbas".  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  09:57, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose, too wordy. Accusations is enough to state this isn't fact but just accusations.PrisonerB (talk) 13:28, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]