Talk:Sudanese transition to democracy (2019–2021)

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@Aréat: 2019–2022 is now more realistic than 2019 in the title of this article, so you were probably right to be bold. But given the 3-months-over-schedule conclusion of a comprehensive peace agreement and the 9-months-over-schedule creation of a parliament of at least 40% women, noone can really say if the transition will really end in 2022 or 2023 or ... later. If nobody objects, it seems fine by me to leave the article with the name 2019–2022 Sudanese transition to democracy. In 29 months' time we can revisit the question... Boud (talk) 00:59, 20 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. It seem to me that either we have it with the years it's officially scheduled for, only adjusting if and when it goes off plan, either we simply don't put years in the title. Having 2021 for seemingly no reason simply called for a change. Cordially--Aréat (talk) 01:07, 20 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

2019–2024 Sudanese transition to democracy? --Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 08:19, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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2019–2024 Sudanese transition to democracy → 2019–2021 Sudanese transition to democracy – The transition have been de facto ended by October 2021 Sudanese coup d'état. Panam2014 (talk) 14:25, 12 November 2021 (UTC) — Relisting. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 00:46, 20 November 2021 (UTC) — Relisting. VR _talk 05:41, 1 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Obviously this should be moved, but I'm not sold on the new title. I'd prefer something like 2019 Sudanese government reform plan, if a title that is common use can be found. User:力 (powera, π, ν) 15:04, 12 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Panam2014 and 力: The time scale for significant changes in the situation since December 2019 has typically been a few months - not a few days. So we don't yet know if the transition has ended: masses of Sudanese citizens seem willing to continue civil disobedience indefinitely. However, "-2024" is currently quite speculative. It seems like the original title that I put was 2019 Sudanese transition to democracy, with the idea that 2019 was the start.

I don't think that "government reform" would make sense, because the changes so far and the planned changes are much more fundamental than just "reform".

How about Sudanese democracy transition plan? While there were partial transitions to democracy after the first two revolutions, they're not as widely known as this one, and by the time that Wikipedians decide (by editing new articles) that the previous cases are part of human knowledge, the current transition will probably be considered to be "completed" (in the minimalistic sense of holding elections) and we'll be able to restore a year range if needed. The plan still exists. (In fact, al-Burhan claims that there was no coup, just a "rectification" of the transition.) Boud (talk) 15:40, 20 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• This may be a little premature. BilledMammal (talk) 11:24, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  True: we could say that the "military blinked first". I don't think changing to Sudanese democracy transition plan would hurt, though. If the civilians continue their civil disobedience and force the military completely out of power, or force the military to allow a civilian to become head of the Sovereignty Council now, as per the rules of the transition, they might advance or delay the 2024 revised end/election date (which we don't currently have a source for, it seems to me). If we switch to an undated name, then we won't need further renames. Boud (talk) 22:32, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose – wait and see. Dicklyon (talk) 08:29, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose: The suggested title implies that Sudan would have transitioned to democracy in 2021, not had its transition interrupted by a military coup. I would support simply Sudanese transition to democracy if the end date is too uncertain, but the post-coup situation is still developing so I suggest waiting. --Grnrchst (talk) 22:09, 7 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]