Talk:Battle of Khorramshahr (1982)

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This article gives an impression of bias towards the Iranian side of the conflict. The use of the word "liberation" is a good indicator. In addition, there are several references to depictions, celebrations or histories from only the Iranian side or of Iranian provenance. I don't know if an Iraqi narrative of the same event would be substantially different, but it's not clear that this article was written from an objective point of view by a neutral party.Cuatito (talk) 21:25, 24 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The request to rename this article to Battle of Khorramshahr (1982) has been carried out. If the page title has consensus, be sure to close this discussion using {{subst:RM top|'''page moved'''.}} and {{subst:RM bottom}} and remove the {{Requested move/dated|…}} tag, or replace it with the {{subst:Requested move/end|…}} tag.

• Liberation of Khorramshahr → Battle of Khorramshahr (1982)
• Battle of Khorramshahr → Battle of Khorramshahr (1980)

– This new title scheme would disambiguate between two battles in the same city during the Iran-Iraq war. The term "liberation" is inherently POV and should be avoided because it favors one side of the war. I can't establish that it's consistently used in reliable sources in a similar way to Boston Massacre; many sources resulting from searching "battle of Khorramshahr" on google scholar clearly refer to the 1982 battle. As noted above there are concerns about the POV of this article and use of "liberation" in the title feeds into them. The terms "capture" and "recapture" for 1980 and 1982 respectively are also neutral and used in reliable sources, but "battle" is more common. Ping Cuatito who expressed an opinion above (t · c) buidhe 16:25, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

* Support: Seems reasonable considering the POV issues and that "battle of" appears to be the common name. Regards, Cinderella157 (talk) 01:23, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Support per nomination and Cinderella157. The form "Liberation of..." is non-neutral unless it is used to describe a universally accepted event such as Liberation of Paris. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 03:48, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The Germans might get excited at you!! [This is a joke]!! Buckshot06 (talk) 07:23, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Support both per nom. Gog the Mild (talk) 10:02, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Support Logical decision. Farawayman (talk) 11:56, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Support per WP:NPOV. --HistoryofIran (talk) 11:58, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Support per NPOV and probable via also Malovany, "Wars of Modern Babylon," and DOD Iraq Perceptions Project. Buckshot06 (talk) 07:23, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

* Comment Thinking a bit more on article naming guidance, probably only one of these should have the date attached - ie, that least well known. Just a thought. Regards, Cinderella157 (talk) 00:10, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Possibly. But both get similar numbers of pageviews ~2,000 vs. ~1,500 in the last month, so I'm not convinced that there's a primary topic. I would rather have a dab. (t · c) buidhe 03:40, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]