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This article is very flawed, it is solely based on 1 story from a man who is biased, wasn't there and contradicts history even according to the source, please check the talk page for more info, the last section is enough to understand the problem Goddard2000 (talk) 16:23, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: History and Military. Shellwood (talk) 16:24, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete there are no supporting sources for the legend about the battle of 1781.--Товболатов (talk) 16:55, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Found another source that refutes the legend. --Товболатов (talk) 18:43, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This is how the battle is described in Ingush folklore. Historical Russian sources contradict the folklore and describe the incident as following:

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In the entire century of Russian citizenship, the Ingush only once, and then with the participation of the Atagin Chechens, openly and with all their might rebelled against our government, in 1782; but upon the arrival of a detachment consisting of one battalion of infantry, one squadron of dragoons and hundreds of Cossacks, they submitted without resistance, swore an oath and eight people were taken hostage.

Ever since that distant time, there have been attempts, and even taken as a rule, to strengthen our power in the Caucasus, to quarrel among themselves the Caucasian tribes, "so that they weaken their strength, leave us more alone." In view of achieving this goal, the Ingush and Chechens quarreled among themselves in various ways, and in June 1783 they fought, having up to 1000 people on each side; the result of this battle was the defeat of the Ingush and the repulsion of up to two thousand pieces of sheep from them.

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— "Сборник сведений о кавказских горцах", Выпуск 9. Тифлис. 1876. с. 11

Chronology — Butkov P. G. Materials for the new history of the Caucasus, from 1722 to 1803. - SPb., 1869. Volume 3. page 171.

Here are the details of the battle from the Author. — Butkov P. G. Materials for the new history of the Caucasus, from 1722 to 1803. - SPb., 1869. Volume 2. page. 111 --Товболатов (talk) 18:43, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This document is talking about a battle between Ingushes and Chechens that happened in 1783 while the Nazran conflict happened in 1781. The dates don't even match and it doesn't disprove anything. WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 19:03, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

During the discussion of the article in the "talk" section, I proved that the article deserves the right to exist, and there is far from one source in the article. WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 17:45, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Товболатов , WikiEditor1234567123 We obviously disagree with each other and we have talked 100 times in talk pages, let the admins decide now, if they want us to make our case again in here then we'll do it. It's better if we don't debate in here now. Goddard2000 (talk) 19:39, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Europe and Russia. asilvering (talk) 23:13, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:45, 28 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, i don't understand why this article hasn't been deleted yet. I recommend reading the talk page, this whole article is based on the words of 1 single man from the Dalgat source. 1 man who was not present during the battle (he claims it happened 200 years ago), he contradicts history which is confirmed by the author that records this story from him, he is biased as he is Ingush and aggrandizes the history of his hero, the story is not corroborated in Russian military records or any other source from that period. Why should we allow wikipedia articles to be made on the words of 1 man? this is not a credible source, especially not since this article tries to aggrandize Ingush history against 3 of their neighbors. This article is too biased. Please read the talk page in the Nazran conflict page. Goddard2000 (talk) 10:49, 29 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Leave, It's not based of a word of a single man, if it was then Yakovlev and Krupnov wouldn't have mentioned this story. WikiEditor1234567123 (talk) 17:05, 30 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. lack of confirming sources described in the article

Merjuev Salovdi (talk) 09:29, 30 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Inaccurate information.--Takhirgeran Umar (talk) 08:21, 29 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. No reliable sources. --Simba16 (talk) 17:48, 1 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. The Ingush are known in Russia as falsifiers of history, and their false articles are not allowed in the Russian-language Wikipedia. So they moved here and started spreading their lies. It is necessary to remove these false articles here as well. Таллархо (talk) 04:14, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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 * '''Delete'''. Inaccurate information.--[[User:Takhirgeran Umar|Takhirgeran Umar]] ([[User talk:Takhirgeran Umar|talk]]) 08:21, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
 * '''Delete'''. No reliable sources. --[[User:Simba16|Simba16]] ([[User talk:Simba16|talk]]) 17:48, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
+* '''Delete'''. The Ingush are known in Russia as falsifiers of history, and their false articles are not allowed in the Russian-language Wikipedia. So they moved here and started spreading their lies. It is necessary to remove these false articles here as well. [[User:Таллархо|Таллархо]] ([[User talk:Таллархо|talk]]) 04:14, 4 February 2023 (UTC)