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::::{{u|Glen}}, the update is out now. [[User:Ed6767|<span style="font-family:'Roboto',sans-serif;font-weight:300;color:red;text-shadow: 2px 2px 10px black;">Ed6767</span>]] [[User talk:Ed6767|<span style="color:black;"><strong>talk!</strong></span>]] 23:48, 13 June 2020 (UTC) |
::::{{u|Glen}}, the update is out now. [[User:Ed6767|<span style="font-family:'Roboto',sans-serif;font-weight:300;color:red;text-shadow: 2px 2px 10px black;">Ed6767</span>]] [[User talk:Ed6767|<span style="color:black;"><strong>talk!</strong></span>]] 23:48, 13 June 2020 (UTC) |
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[[File:Ambox notice.svg|link=|25px|alt=Information icon]] There is currently a discussion at [[Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)]] regarding a possible polic violation with RedWarn. The thread is [[Wikipedia:Village pump (policy#Mass messaging|Mass messaging]]. The discussion is about the topic of RedWarn's [[WP:REDWARN/MAT|Multiple Action Tool]] and the [[WP:MMS|Mass Message Sender]] user right. <span style="color:#666666">{{[[Template:replyto|reply to]]|[[User:Can I Log In|Can I Log In]]}}</span>'s [[User talk:Can I Log In|talk]] page! 00:00, 14 June 2020 (UTC) |
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Block notice
Yesterday, I was autoblocked for 24 hours. When I used twinkle, it notified me of an autoblock, but RedWarn had a little window at the bottom, and its text was hidden by the other window. After fiddling around for a bit, I found out the small window said that the edit could not be saved. Could you add a feature that notifies users of the block, and resize the windows to prevent them being hidden? CrazyBoy826 02:09, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
- @CrazyBoy826: I could, but a block detection would only be efficient to check when the edit fails, so it's not an immediate priority. Ed6767 (talk) 02:12, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
- Ed6767 The window was hidden under the warn user window, and that's a larger priority. CrazyBoy826 02:17, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
- CrazyBoy826, the issue there is with the dialog overlay really - the toast message at the bottom is sent in this flow: Send Notice > Make Changes > Error > Push Toast > Ask DialogEngine to reopen the dialog - the issue would be setting this back to have a larger notice as every dialog you see runs essentially within a sandbox, unlike Twinkle where when you interface with a dialog you're interfacing with the site itself. I could use a dialog, but then as a confirmation/message dialog and the new notice page both use the dialog engine sandbox, if a basic error happened then all the settings you'd set for the notice would be gone as the sandbox would've reset - so I'll need to think about that. Thanks for pointing it out! Ed6767 (talk) 02:24, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
- Ed6767 The window was hidden under the warn user window, and that's a larger priority. CrazyBoy826 02:17, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
Template packs
@Ed6767: When I used a template pack, it appended the comment <1-- Enter your content here! This box fully supports wikitext. Once done, you can check that your template works and looks as expected by clicking the test button. -->. I set the template to add {{subst:welcome-anon}}. What is this? CrazyBoy826 02:20, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
- CrazyBoy826, you can remove this in the template text. That's just a placeholder comment at the moment. Ed6767 (talk) 02:26, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
Missing warning
@Ed6767:Uw-npa3 is missing from the notices detction system. Can you add that?. CrazyBoy826 20:23, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
- CrazyBoy826, it should already be there? Under "Personal attack directed at a specific editor" uw-npa3 should be a level 3 notice. Ed6767 (talk) 20:27, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Ed6767: I mean it does not say the user had a 3 warning this month. Also, Can you chagne redwarn to detect for two months if it is the beginning of the month? where i live, when it's 4pm on may 31, it's june utc. if i am fighting vandalism, warnings from like 5 minutes ago will not appear.CrazyBoy826 20:28, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
- CrazyBoy826, sorry, I misread. I've fixed that but in rev13 which should be out within a few hours - in future, when I reprogram the warning detection system based on signatures, I'd like to do past 30 days rather than per the month header, as you suggested. Thanks for pointing that out! Ed6767 (talk) 20:31, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
- my time zone is PDT (pacific daylight saving time). it's 1pm where i am, 9:30pm where you live (Great Britain, as it says on your user page), so what has happened to your schedule? Also considering your time card, the vast majority of your edits are 8pm-2am and sometimes as late as 4am. late enough to see the next day's sunrise! CrazyBoy826 20:34, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
- So when you say "in a few hours" might be misleading. CrazyBoy826 20:36, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Ed6767: How will you know the date of the above unsigned post? CrazyBoy826 20:53, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
- CrazyBoy826, let's just say my sleep schedule is ruined lol - and the one above will be registered based on the date header as my current idea of the algorithm would be reading the icon (what's already done) then reading until text that matches a signature (then reading the timestamp) - but if another icon is there (i.e. it is unsigned) it'll read based on the date header. It could use the investigate tool to find out who added it and when, but that would slow things down loads. Ed6767 (talk) 21:07, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Ed6767: How will you know the date of the above unsigned post? CrazyBoy826 20:53, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
- CrazyBoy826, sorry, I misread. I've fixed that but in rev13 which should be out within a few hours - in future, when I reprogram the warning detection system based on signatures, I'd like to do past 30 days rather than per the month header, as you suggested. Thanks for pointing that out! Ed6767 (talk) 20:31, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Ed6767: I mean it does not say the user had a 3 warning this month. Also, Can you chagne redwarn to detect for two months if it is the beginning of the month? where i live, when it's 4pm on may 31, it's june utc. if i am fighting vandalism, warnings from like 5 minutes ago will not appear.CrazyBoy826 20:28, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Ed6767: It reads until a link to a user page then the numbres after it. If it is not present, how about the new post above? CrazyBoy826 21:12, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
- CrazyBoy826, it likely would be ignored as there would be no quick way to distinguish the time it was made. Ed6767 (talk) 21:14, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
- CrazyBoy826, Update out now btw. Ed6767 (talk) 00:48, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
They exist, for a reason and intentionally. Maybe you could use this because the current way RedWarn patrol works in Post-Rev12 is kinda weird. Try looking at how Real-Time Recent Changes work, or how Answer Edit Request works. They use Special Blank Page. Maybe you could move RedWarn Recent Changes Patrol into let's say Special:BlankPage/RedWarn, and have a sidebar link to it. Something you could do. {{reply to|Can I Log In}}
's talk page! 02:09, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
- Can I Log In, thanks for pointing that out! I'll think about it. Ed6767 (talk) 02:33, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
RC Patrol
Hi ! I have started using the tool in the last couple of weeks and have loved it . Ito Great ! but the RC Patrol tab lists changes on the basis of removal of content which is not very helpful to find vandalism plus there is no button to show the diff . Can you please look into this . Kpgjhpjm 09:17, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
- Kpgjhpjm, thanks for the feedback. Here's how you use RW Patrol: you can apply the normal filters on the recent changes page, including the "likely vandalism/bad faith" filters, but not highlighting right now, then click the button to open RedWarn patrol. In there, you click "Open New Attached Tab" - this opens a new browser tab that is attached to RedWarn patrol, you can make this into a new window and arrange them how you like by clicking and dragging the tab down on Chrome and Firefox. Whenever you click a page listed in RedWarn patrol, the connected tab will update and send you to that diff page. I hope that explanation helps! Ed6767 (talk) 13:15, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
- Ed6767, Thanks for the help . Kpgjhpjm 13:31, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
- Ed6767, Btw what is meant by , but not highlighting right now Kpgjhpjm 13:34, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
- Kpgjhpjm, you can't use the highlighting filters as you see on the normal recent changes page. Ed6767 (talk) 13:38, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
Special:Contributions
I find it unhelpful when I'm looking at my own contributions and am presented with buttons to revert myself... Also, it makes it less obvious which edits are "current" ones and which ones are not. Could it be possible to either return to the previous version of this, or at least keep (in addition to the rollback buttons) the usual (current) indication? Cheers, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 13:05, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
- RandomCanadian, I understand that maybe a bit of a learning curve - right now there is no way to disable the contributions rollback links. RW rollback options only show on current changes and replaces the (current) on the page with rollback links. Hopefully, that isn't too frustrating and I'll add an option to disable this in the next update. Ed6767 (talk) 13:20, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
- About this on your own contribs, this still might be useful if you want to revert an error, so I don't think I'll change anything in that regard unless I receive further complaints Ed6767 (talk) 13:22, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks for the reply. In any case I always found the bolded current to be a great visual help in dealing with editors who I am pretty sure are vandal-only. As I said, my suggestion was not disabling it entirely but simply returning to the previous version where both the rollback links and the current were present. Cheers, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 18:58, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
- RandomCanadian, ah, I understand. I'll think about how I could implement an option to make distinguishing current ones easier, such as restoring the current tag as suggested. Thanks for the feedback! Ed6767 talk! 20:05, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks for the reply. In any case I always found the bolded current to be a great visual help in dealing with editors who I am pretty sure are vandal-only. As I said, my suggestion was not disabling it entirely but simply returning to the previous version where both the rollback links and the current were present. Cheers, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 18:58, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
- About this on your own contribs, this still might be useful if you want to revert an error, so I don't think I'll change anything in that regard unless I receive further complaints Ed6767 (talk) 13:22, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
Who can use this?
After finding out about this tool, it seems like something that could help me (I've been using Twinkle exclusively for anti-vandalism work). Can anyone use this or do you have to be invited as a beta tester? Thanks, --GalaxyDogtalk • contribs 19:22, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
- @GalaxyDog: Yes, anybody can use this (though some features are limited to users with relevant permissions...). Just follow the instructions on the main page (and feel free to report any bugs/issues). Cheers, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 19:28, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
- Alright, thanks RandomCanadian! --GalaxyDogtalk • contribs 19:29, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
- GalaxyDog, to clarify, you can use all the features except for pending changes review as an extended confirmed user - autoconfirmed users can use all features but the multiple action tool :) Ed6767 talk! 19:51, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Ed6767: Okay, thanks. --GalaxyDogtalk • contribs 19:54, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
- GalaxyDog, to clarify, you can use all the features except for pending changes review as an extended confirmed user - autoconfirmed users can use all features but the multiple action tool :) Ed6767 talk! 19:51, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
- Alright, thanks RandomCanadian! --GalaxyDogtalk • contribs 19:29, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
Suggestions
Very nice script, but I do have a few suggestions to improve it's usability.
- Add an option to remove the button that enables RedWarn patrol on Special:RecentChanges (I am using a script that opens links in a set tab from the default RecentChanges so the button isn't needed)
- Make the icons to the right of the title fit with the page indicator (around
font-size: 21px;
andvertical-align: middle;
) - Make
#rwPGIconContainer
a div withdisplay: inline-block;
and replace the
at the front of it with margin-left (around 0.5em) - Increase the z-index of
.mw-indicators
- Remove the copyright notice from the console and make it a comment in the code or move it to somewhere in the UI
- Use
mw.user.options
andnew mw.Api().saveOption
/new mw.Api().saveOptions
to get and save user preferences (they have to be prefixed withuserjs
).
These ones aren't issues with the current script, but are suggestions to expand it so it's more useful:
- Add a button to welcome users (welcoming new users is an important part of fighting vandalism)
- Add an dialogue to propose page deletion and moving (XFD, PROD, DI, and CSD from Twinkle in one dialogue)
- Add an option to manage maintenance tags and stub tags
– BrandonXLF (talk) 02:36, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
- BrandonXLF, thanks for the feedback and technical advice! RW did have a quick welcome button in older versions, but this has now been replaced with the Quick Template feature - you can get the quick welcome pack by following the instructions over at WP:REDWARN/QTPACKS (you can also make one with more welcome templates quite easily, I used the quick template feature to invite you to test on your talk page). Matching Twinkle's features and more is all coming in the future, I'm working hard to close the gap, but this is slow as I have to design a new UI for every feature. I'm planning on releasing a quick patch soon (rev13a) for a couple of bugs I've noted, and I'll probably merge your visual improvements in with that - but I'm unsure what you mean by using the mw API for user preferences and how that'd relate to RedWarn? Ed6767 talk! 03:58, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
- Ed6767, right now you're saving preferences to redwarnConfig.js, you can use the options API instead. I also think welcoming users is important enough that it should be there should be a dedicated button and it should be there by default, maybe have it as a default pack and allow packs to have custom buttons for quick access.– BrandonXLF (talk) 04:38, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
- BrandonXLF, thanks for the feedback! I'll probably keep redwarnConfig.js for now for two reasons: 1. migrating the current config would cause a lot of disruption (and Twinkle uses a similar YAML config page) 2. It allows me to check the users config easily which makes debugging easier. Ed6767 talk! 17:02, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
- Ed6767, I see, for the first point you could have some code that would import from the config page, but I guess you should start using the API after the tool is more stable and there isn't a need to have to check users configs. I also have a few more suggestions:
- Remove the buttons from the Main Page or any page without a visible title
- Don't add line breaks when posting on a talk page with nothing on it or when creating the page (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:93.23.18.68&oldid=961494899)
- Use localStorage for storing what message the user should see instead of the URL hash so it's not shown when navigating back to the page
- – BrandonXLF (talk) 20:18, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
- BrandonXLF, thanks for the suggestions :) Ed6767 talk! 20:22, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
- Ed6767, I see, for the first point you could have some code that would import from the config page, but I guess you should start using the API after the tool is more stable and there isn't a need to have to check users configs. I also have a few more suggestions:
- BrandonXLF, thanks for the feedback! I'll probably keep redwarnConfig.js for now for two reasons: 1. migrating the current config would cause a lot of disruption (and Twinkle uses a similar YAML config page) 2. It allows me to check the users config easily which makes debugging easier. Ed6767 talk! 17:02, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
- Ed6767, right now you're saving preferences to redwarnConfig.js, you can use the options API instead. I also think welcoming users is important enough that it should be there should be a dedicated button and it should be there by default, maybe have it as a default pack and allow packs to have custom buttons for quick access.– BrandonXLF (talk) 04:38, 8 June 2020 (UTC)
Misplaced
The rollback contribtions appear before the tags, but it is not supposed to be. Can you fix that? CrazyBoy826 16:49, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
- Also, the rw rollback is very useful. In twinkle, I have to ctrl-click all of the buttons and then click every tab, but rolling back while staying on the page is very useful. Also, the (current) is missing, where is it? CrazyBoy826 16:52, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
- The (current) is located at the rollback buttons. You just can't see it because RedWarn has hidden them. Nevertheless, the rollback buttons are the new "(current)". {{reply to|Can I Log In}}'s talk page! 17:02, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Ed6767: Instead of "RW" on the userbox, how about "RW"? CrazyBoy826 17:11, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
- @CrazyBoy826 and Can I Log In: I have intentions to reposition the rollback contribs buttons later on as most people don't seem to be fans the current position - regarding the userbox, feel free to edit it if you wish. The official RW short logo is: RW Ed6767 talk! 17:50, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Ed6767: Instead of "RW" on the userbox, how about "RW"? CrazyBoy826 17:11, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Ed6767: The rollback displays even for pages which I created and have only one revision. the twinkle rollback doesn't display, but Redwarn does. `CrazyBoy826
- @CrazyBoy826: Noted - I'll see what I can do. Ed6767 talk! 18:10, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
- The (current) is located at the rollback buttons. You just can't see it because RedWarn has hidden them. Nevertheless, the rollback buttons are the new "(current)". {{reply to|Can I Log In}}'s talk page! 17:02, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
A giant, WP:INDISCRIMINATE list of warning options
Well, if you're online at 5am, the RedWarn warning list is exactly what the title says - a giant, WP:INDISCRIMINATE list of warning options. Could you divide it up into sections like Twinkle and make the text smaller to reduce scrolling? Also, could you move the unsourced up with the tests and deletion? Thanks! CrazyBoy826 04:06, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
- This: unsourced additions are a very frequent kind of good-faith edits which might actually be helped by giving proper instructions (though I've seen it go both ways); and copying the order from twinkle might not be optimal. @CrazyBoy826: The templates are searchable (but so are they on twinkle), but a little sectioning would indeed help. Cheers, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 04:34, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
- CrazyBoy826, categories are already in the rule database so I will add them in the next update. Regarding making the text smaller, if you don't want to scroll I highly recommend typing to search through the options. Thanks for the feedback! Ed6767 talk! 13:19, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
- Ed6767, on Twinkle the uw-vandalism and uw-unsourced appear at once without scrolling. On redwarn I have to scroll down about three screens before I get to it. Also, I would suggest putting the template names on the list like twinkle instead of just their descriptions. CrazyBoy826 16:01, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
- CrazyBoy826, I'll make that an option - thanks for the feedback! Ed6767 talk! 17:09, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
- Ed6767, on Twinkle the uw-vandalism and uw-unsourced appear at once without scrolling. On redwarn I have to scroll down about three screens before I get to it. Also, I would suggest putting the template names on the list like twinkle instead of just their descriptions. CrazyBoy826 16:01, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
RFPP for file - minor bug
Hello, I just found a bug, when you request protection for a file, which is that, as title, the file to be protected is displayed as image. Like here. Should be easy to fix. --TheImaCow (talk) 13:22, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
- That is definitely also a thing for categories. Just add a colon before every wikilink. {{reply to|Can I Log In}}'s talk page! 16:29, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
- TheImaCow, thanks for pointing this out! Fixing it now. Ed6767 talk! 17:03, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
- fixed in next update Ed6767 talk! 17:58, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
Quick Template
The "quick template" feature in RedWarn does not automatically sign. Please fix that. ◊PRAHLADbalaji (M•T•A•C) This message was left at 18:53, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
- Prahlad balaji, it's not meant to. Not all templates use standard signatures. If you're making a quick template, make sure you add one. Ed6767 talk! 18:54, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
Idea for next next update
Hello, I have another suggestion for the next update:
- That the reported user is linked in the edit summary of AIV reports. This is because I have activated a gadget that automatically crosses out names of blocked users. (Preferences > Apperance > Strike out usernames that have been blocked)' This looks like this, and then I can see at a single look in the approximate report history which people have been blocked and which have not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheImaCow (talk • contribs)
- TheImaCow, thanks for the feedback! I've added that for the next update. Ed6767 talk! 14:39, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
RedWarn Project Survey Results
@Incagnito, Glen, Hillelfrei, TheImaCow, Henry20090, Kpgjhpjm, Outlander07, Awesome Aasim, IdreamofJeanie, Can I Log In, Eumat114, 11Fox11, Prahlad balaji, KMagz04, Aaryan33056, Mvcg66b3r, Nkon21, RandomCanadian, and CrazyBoy826:
Hi all! Thanks for filling in the short survey I sent - the survey is now closed and I can provide you with the general results. 20 of RedWarn's 57 users (at the time of sending) filled in the short survey, of which:
- 100% of users who completed the survey rated their experiences with RedWarn from okay (6) to excellent (10)
- 80% of users who completed the survey rated their experiences with RedWarn from Good (8) to excellent (10)
- 20% of users who completed the survey rated their experiences with RedWarn as excellent (10)
- Feedback for these results included:
- "It helps me revert vandalism much faster."
- "RedWarn is very useful and has many improvements over Twinkle."
- "RedWarn is AWESOME!"
- "Everything looks very well put-together, no glitches so far, fast and easy to use"
- "Excellent tool, way better than twinkle"
- Despite still being in beta, 90% of of users who completed the survey said they were likely to recommend RedWarn to another editor and 60% said they preferred RedWarn to other tools like Twinkle and Huggle.
- 75% of said they'd like to see a RedWarn mobile app
I never expected that much positive feedback at such a relatively early stage! To those who have made suggestions, thank you. I've expanded my to-do list with many of your suggestions (including tidying up the UI, adding tools within edit-filter logs, expanding the documentation videos and more) and I really hope RedWarn continues to get better with your feedback. It may be a few versions before your suggestion is added, but I've taken all feedback into account and I hope you continue to enjoy using my tool. Thank you all again! Ed6767 talk! 14:33, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Ed6767:, many people are talking about recent changes patrol. However, one edit comes in every two seconds, so I prefer to do edit filter patrol, where one comes in every 20 seconds or so - enough for me to track all of them. Are there any possible additional options for edit filter patrol? CrazyBoy826 15:36, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
- The closest to that is this in recent changes or Special:AbuseLog. {{reply to|Can I Log In}}'s talk page! 15:46, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
AIV reporting
Hi Ed6767 it's just a little thing but would you be able to have the edit summary link to the vandals contributions when reporting to AIV? It's really handy for admins when we see a report on our watch list to quickly check the vandals contribs without opening the page. Just a minor thing but a time saver especially with aggressive vandals. Thanks! Glen 04:30, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Glen: Issue apparently already reported just above at Idea_for_next_next_update. Cheers, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 14:01, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Glen and RandomCanadian: Yep, already added this in for the next update. Thanks for the suggestion! Ed6767 talk! 14:10, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
- Ed6767, RandomCanadian ahh one step ahead of me. Thanks! Glen 14:39, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
- Glen, the update is out now. Ed6767 talk! 23:48, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
- Ed6767, RandomCanadian ahh one step ahead of me. Thanks! Glen 14:39, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Glen and RandomCanadian: Yep, already added this in for the next update. Thanks for the suggestion! Ed6767 talk! 14:10, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
Notice
There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy) regarding a possible polic violation with RedWarn. The thread is Mass messaging. The discussion is about the topic of RedWarn's Multiple Action Tool and the Mass Message Sender user right. {{reply to|Can I Log In}}'s talk page! 00:00, 14 June 2020 (UTC)