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:::{{ping|Jonteemil}} Yeah, that's the only way to reverse a decision made at a full discussion. [[User:Armbrust|Armbrust]] <sup>[[User talk:Armbrust|<span style="color: #E3A857;">The</span> <span style="color: #008000;">Homunculus</span>]]</sup> 10:42, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
:::{{ping|Jonteemil}} Yeah, that's the only way to reverse a decision made at a full discussion. [[User:Armbrust|Armbrust]] <sup>[[User talk:Armbrust|<span style="color: #E3A857;">The</span> <span style="color: #008000;">Homunculus</span>]]</sup> 10:42, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
::::Yes please, and please also cover [[:Category:Invalid SVGs]]. Be prepared for the question "why is this needed at all", as no maintenance is required for {{tl|valid SVG}}, and you could get a list of pages that use it via "what links here". – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] [[User talk:Fayenatic london|'''<span style="color:#FF0000;">L</span>'''ondon]] 12:12, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
::::Yes please, and please also cover [[:Category:Invalid SVGs]]. Be prepared for the question "why is this needed at all", as no maintenance is required for {{tl|valid SVG}}, and you could get a list of pages that use it via "what links here". – [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] [[User talk:Fayenatic london|'''<span style="color:#FF0000;">L</span>'''ondon]] 12:12, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
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:{{u|Jonteemil}}, removal of the word "valid" from the title could be explained by the suggestion of {{u|Sillyfolkboy}} in previous CfD: {{tq|Invalid ones should be placed in the maintenance categories which can be a child of this new category}}. —⁠[[User:Andrybak|andrybak]] ([[User talk:Andrybak|talk]]) 12:10, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
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The rename proposal in the previous CFD is a valid one, I agree with it. I don't really know why "valid" was removed from the title. When you see the name [[:Category:Wikipedia images in SVG format]] you would think that it contains all Wikipedia SVG files. However, this isn't the case. There's a minority of SVGs that even uses {{t|Valid SVG}} or {{t|Invalid SVG}} for that matter. This fact makes the name of the category very odd.[[User:Jonteemil|Jonteemil]] ([[User talk:Jonteemil|talk]]) 15:36, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
The rename proposal in the previous CFD is a valid one, I agree with it. I don't really know why "valid" was removed from the title. When you see the name [[:Category:Wikipedia images in SVG format]] you would think that it contains all Wikipedia SVG files. However, this isn't the case. There's a minority of SVGs that even uses {{t|Valid SVG}} or {{t|Invalid SVG}} for that matter. This fact makes the name of the category very odd.[[User:Jonteemil|Jonteemil]] ([[User talk:Jonteemil|talk]]) 15:36, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
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:{{u|Jonteemil}}, removal of the word "valid" from the title could be explained by the suggestion of {{u|Sillyfolkboy}} in previous CfD: {{tq|Invalid ones should be placed in the maintenance categories which can be a child of this new category}}. —⁠[[User:Andrybak|andrybak]] ([[User talk:Andrybak|talk]]) 12:10, 9 May 2020 (UTC)


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Category:Puerto Rican people of American descent

Nominator's rationale: Redundant. Puerto Ricans are Americans. This would be like a category for English people of British descent. JDDJS (talk to me • see what I've done) 23:49, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. I can sort of see a logic behind what the creator was trying to do here — since Puerto Ricans are defined as a specific ethnic group within the larger American umbrella, they were trying to capture people who also have other non-Puerto Rican ancestry from the mainland US — but for the precise reason the nominator points out, they missed, and I'm not convinced that renaming it for increased clarity would actually make it any more WP:DEFINING either. Bearcat (talk) 14:50, 8 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete another useless descent category. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 17:50, 8 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Category:People from Gibraltar

Nominator's rationale: Unclear if there is supposed to be a distinction between the two categories, but I certainly dont see one, unless it is that People from Gibraltar were born there but are notable for what they did somewhere else. The anchor article is Gibraltarians Rathfelder (talk) 19:17, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Priyanka Chopra (Jonas) categories

Nominator's rationale: Per main article, Priyanka Chopra Jonas. Speedy declined. @Armbrust:. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:39, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Procedural oppose, at least temporarily. The page move was recent and arbitrary, and does not appear to have actually been supported by any requested moves discussion to establish an actual consensus for it — at the very least, there isn't any discussion on her talk page (which is where such a discussion is supposed to be documented.) Rather, as near as I can tell, the logic appears to be that her marriage to Nick automatically made her "Priyanka Chopra Jonas", and therefore the page move should just have automatically happened right away — but while I admittedly don't go very far out of my way to follow her career and basically just know her through cultural osmosis, I have never actually heard her referred to as "Priyanka Chopra Jonas", but still as just "Priyanka Chopra". I'm willing to reconsider if somebody can actually produce evidence of a page move discussion that I've missed — but from the evidence I've been able to find the page move was improper, so that's probably what we should be discussing first. I've initiated a discussion at Talk:Priyanka Chopra Jonas over what the page name should be — if consensus settles on Priyanka Chopra Jonas, then I'll support a move of the categories, but if it lands on "move back to Priyanka Chopra", then the categories obviously shouldn't be moved. Bearcat (talk) 15:00, 8 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Magazine company founders

Nominator's rationale: There isn't a very clean distinction to be drawn between being a magazine founder and being a magazine company founder -- literally by definition, magazines are run by companies or organizations, so founding a company to run the magazine is very often part and parcel of the process of founding a magazine at all. And while it is true that magazines can technically also be founded as new projects under the auspices of media companies that already existed before the new magazine was launched, or new companies can be founded to take over already-existing magazines, those aren't particularly helpful or defining hairs for the category system to split. The distinction just isn't unambiguous enough to need two separate category trees here. Bearcat (talk) 17:53, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Iranian Sound recordists

Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT for just two people. The parent category Category:Sound recordists has just seven people in it, so it has not been and does not need to be subdivided by nationality at all -- and two people is not enough to warrant giving Iran special treatment if we're not subcatting any of the others. And even if for some implausible reason it were to be kept, it would still have to be renamed for the miscapitalization of "sound". No upmerging necessary, as the two people here were never actually removed from the parent in the process of adding this subcategory. Bearcat (talk) 17:16, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Pakistani mass media by language

Nominator's rationale: Same topic, as far as I understand. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 17:00, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Swiss mass media by language

Nominator's rationale: Per supercategory Category:Mass media in Switzerland and analogously to Category:Mass media in India by language‎. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 16:55, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Foreign-language mass media in Ukraine

Nominator's rationale: Per Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2015 February 23#Category:Foreign-language media in the United States and current Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2020 May 1#Category:Foreign-language mass media in the United States by state. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 16:47, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Category:African Americans in the media

Nominator's rationale: Per Category:American media personalities. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 16:23, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wikipedia images in SVG format

Moved from WP:CFDS:

Category:Wikipedia images in SVG format to Category:Valid SVGs – C2D: The template that categorizes here is {{Valid SVG}}. This is not a category for all Wikipedia SVGs, which is why the name is very confusing. See also the linked Wikimedia Commons template which is c:Template:Valid SVG. Jonteemil (talk) 03:07, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Jonteemil: this is not valid as a Speedy, because it practically reverses a full CFD at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2015_January_7#Category:Valid_SVG. – Fayenatic London 08:13, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Fayenatic london: Yeah, I saw the CFD after I posted this. How do I go about now? File a new CFD?Jonteemil (talk) 08:15, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Jonteemil: Yeah, that's the only way to reverse a decision made at a full discussion. Armbrust The Homunculus 10:42, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yes please, and please also cover Category:Invalid SVGs. Be prepared for the question "why is this needed at all", as no maintenance is required for {{valid SVG}}, and you could get a list of pages that use it via "what links here". – Fayenatic London 12:12, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The rename proposal in the previous CFD is a valid one, I agree with it. I don't really know why "valid" was removed from the title. When you see the name Category:Wikipedia images in SVG format you would think that it contains all Wikipedia SVG files. However, this isn't the case. There's a minority of SVGs that even uses {{Valid SVG}} or {{Invalid SVG}} for that matter. This fact makes the name of the category very odd.Jonteemil (talk) 15:36, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Jonteemil, removal of the word "valid" from the title could be explained by the suggestion of Sillyfolkboy in previous CfD: Invalid ones should be placed in the maintenance categories which can be a child of this new category. —⁠andrybak (talk) 12:10, 9 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Working-class writers

Nominator's rationale: Per Wikipedia:ARBITRARYCAT, this is a collection of judgement calls based on one's status in the working class. User:Namiba 15:10, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Specific letter-diacritic combinations

Nominator's rationale: Simpler name. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 15:08, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Country music festivals in London

Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT for just one festival, which does not qualify for either of the normal exemptions from smallcat rules: we do not have any established scheme of "Specific-genre music festivals in City" subcategories, and neither of the merge targets are large enough to need special treatment on size management grounds. Genre music festivals are normally categorized at the level of the country without specific-city subcategories below that, and festivals by city are normally filed in one common city category without being segregated for genre -- and with just one festival here, one festival (same one double-filed!) in Category:Country music festivals in the United Kingdom and 57 festivals in Category:Music festivals in London, there's just no need for this. And since this is the only such category that exists for any city-genre combo in the entire world, both Category:Country music festivals by city and Category:Folk festivals by city will simply be empty if this goes. Bearcat (talk) 15:01, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Category:American ethnicity and descent

Nominator's rationale: Dual upmerge to appropriate subcategories. These fail WP:OCEGRS. User:Namiba 14:03, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
1) that is factually inaccurate. A number of them have fewer than 5 articles and 2) the size of the category isn't being argued. What is being argued is that they fail WP:OCEGRS as non-notable intersections of ethnicity, nationality, and occupation.--User:Namiba 18:53, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • The rationale cited for deletion has nothing to do with size. WP:OCEGRS is not WP:SMALLCAT. There could be thousands of left-handed Filipino hairdressers in Texas, that would still not be a topic. Place Clichy (talk) 17:55, 8 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Upmerge these violate the rule that we should not categorize by EGRS issues when the category has few other likely break outs.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:33, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Upmerge/delete all per nom as ineligible intersections per WP:OCEGRS. I had doubts about the Canadian people of Israeli Arab descent because Israeli Arabs are a distinct population, not an intersection, but I checked the only article in the category, Ghazi Falah, which did not belong in it, so this point is moot. Place Clichy (talk) 17:55, 8 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete all per WP:OCEGRS; these descent categories also suffer the same ills as all others: how much descent must one be; how far back may/must it go; and what reliable sources tell us that anyone is within those constraints? Fundamentally, do people of a particular "descent" do their job differently than those not of that "descent"; that's what these categories imply because otherwise there is no notability in them. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 17:57, 8 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Populated places in Tešanj

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: speedy keep. Category populated by one more entry; withdrawing my nomination. Thanks Oculi! (non-admin closure) 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 15:10, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Can this category possibly includes more articles right now? If renamed, it could (and should) include Tešanj Castle, Tešanj RK and Category:Mass media in Tešanj as well. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 11:00, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Category:Jordanian internet celebrities

Nominator's rationale: miscapitalisation of the proposed merge target. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 10:33, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Ben Lexcen

Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OCEPON and WP:SMALLCAT
Ben Lexcen is a world famous designer of sailing yachts and we have a viable subcategory for Category:Sailing yachts designed by Ben Lexcen. That main article is the only one directly in this eponymous category though and I can't think of a potential second article. (No objection to recreating later if I'm mistaken and we ever get up to 5 direct articles.) - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:26, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Scrapped ships

Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING (WP:TRIVIALCAT)
We have a number categories for the end of ships that are defining like Category:Ships sunk by kamikaze attack and Category:Ships sunk as dive sites. The articles in those categories are at least partially defined by the fates of their ships so readers could use those categories to find articles. But being scrapped is the normal, boring end for most modern ships and, if fully populated, this category would have thousands up thousands of articles and be unlikely to help navigation. - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:26, 7 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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