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*Don't know how uninvolved I am given that I voted for the candidate, which would suggest Eric considers me not knowledgeable; on the other hand, ah well: storm in a teacup. If anyone wants to do something, they might remove the comment or whatever. "Over-literal" is a well-chosen adjective here. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 22:03, 22 June 2019 (UTC) |
*Don't know how uninvolved I am given that I voted for the candidate, which would suggest Eric considers me not knowledgeable; on the other hand, ah well: storm in a teacup. If anyone wants to do something, they might remove the comment or whatever. "Over-literal" is a well-chosen adjective here. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 22:03, 22 June 2019 (UTC) |
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*De minimis non curat lex. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 22:06, 22 June 2019 (UTC). |
*De minimis non curat lex. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 22:06, 22 June 2019 (UTC). |
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WookieInHeat
WookieInHeat in heat is warned, again, but otherwise, this report can be closed. El_C 17:09, 18 June 2019 (UTC) |
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This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning WookieInHeat
See El_C's warning. Their previous reversions on the same page can be seen here. In response to
Discussion concerning WookieInHeatStatements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by WookieInHeatMy last edit to the disputed paragraph was a month ago, I received a warning (I misunderstood the WP:1RR initially) and ceased the behavior. Galobtter ignored my last reply to him on the article's talk page regarding WP:NPOV in the lede, and has not participated in that discussion in several weeks. I'm not the first editor to raise this exact issue, only to be ignored. He appears to be trying to maintain his preferred version of the article without any compromise or consensus, by simply ignoring those he disagrees with and hoping they'll go away, while relying on the 1RR restriction to prevent any changes. WookieInHeat (talk) 08:46, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
@EdJohnston: the edit you linked to is regarding Vice as a WP:RS in relation to political topics as per WP:RSP, which is a separate issue from the WP:NPOV of the lede with its own discussion on the talk page. And yes I understand the complaint, I was just trying to keep my reply concise. I mentioned my edit a month ago to highlight that I'm not trying to edit disruptively. I ceased what I thought to be the offending behavior and waited patiently for a response from Galobtter, whom ignored the conversation for weeks only to instantly come running to file for AE when I made the edit again. From my perspective it seems the WP:1RR is being gamed. WookieInHeat (talk) 09:36, 13 June 2019 (UTC) Statement by Doug Weller@Sandstein: I'm not involved in this dispute but am involved at Talk:Antifa where he's also arguing against a consensus, one that has been unchanged for over a year, so I'm only here to say that Lord Roem hasn't edited for a week. This shouldn't be ignored because he's not around and I hope you agree that his presence isn't required. Doug Weller talk 12:47, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
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CharlesShirley
CharlesShirley is reminded about civility, but otherwise closing as no action. El_C 17:04, 18 June 2019 (UTC) |
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This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning CharlesShirley
Previously given a discretionary sanction for conduct in the area of conflict on 01:11, 3 February 2019 by Awilley (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA).
None of the supplied diffs would require a sanction if they were an isolated incident. The problem here is, though, that the diffs show a pattern of refusing to discuss the contents of Franchise Tax Board of California v. Hyatt, instead wanting to force their version of the page through, despite my attempts (like here and my message on their talk page inviting them to discuss the matter) to start a civil conversation on the talk page. Instead, the user makes Wikipedia a battleground, making uncivil comments and personal attacks, and all this whilst being previously topic banned for similar offenses in the same area (post-1932 American politics). A general post-1932 American politics, broadly construed, topic ban may be necessary, but I will leave that up to the administrators.
Discussion concerning CharlesShirleyStatements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by CharlesShirleyI have simply chosen to stop working on the article Franchise Tax Board of California v. Hyatt. I have decided to take a break from this article, to de-escalate the conflict and to remove myself from the negative attacks on me from other editors. This whole arbitration/request/enforcement action is an attempt to goad me into debating with these other editors and inflame tensions more. These two editors will simply not leave me alone and who apparently will not let me withdraw from working on the FTB v Hyatt article. This whole process makes no sense to me because I have decided to take a break from the article and to simply walk away from the conflict. I would hope that whomever the admin or arbitrator of this process would respect that decision.--CharlesShirley (talk) 13:59, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
Statement by PaleoNeonateI noticed this AE entry so may as well comment. I recently warned this editor about offensive edit summaries (which they of course reverted with a similar edit summary - Special:Diff/901538297, Special:Diff/901540049). This gave me the impression that there is an important interaction problem. However, when looking at the talk page history, I did see a few instances of communication. The attitude could be improved, Wikipedia being a collaborative system. I will not post additional diffs for these, but the edit summaries are visible in the talk page history and user contributions. —PaleoNeonate – 08:55, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
Acknowledging that we are not able to objectively or calmly edit a particular article/area is a good start and this may temporarily mitigate the issue if the same situation does not reproduce constantly with other articles. I noticed that before the apparent recent tension, a bot was automatically archiving posts. Perhaps that editing in less stressful areas will also as a result reduce the urge to write abrasive edit summaries. —PaleoNeonate – 19:46, 13 June 2019 (UTC) Statement by (username)Result concerning CharlesShirley
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Arglebargle79
No action. TonyBallioni (talk) 15:01, 21 June 2019 (UTC) |
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This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning Arglebargle79
The above evidence shows a pattern of disregarding community consensus, which is disruptive, no matter the topic area.
Done.[5] Discussion concerning Arglebargle79Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by Arglebargle79Okay, let's start out with one of the so-called "warnings", shall we? if you notice almost all the reversions and attempted deletions have been gratuitous, unnecessary, and have almost always been reversed. The quickest ones that come to mind are: France's only Vice President, the Impeachment of Dilma Rousseff, 2019 Japanese imperial transition and territorial presidential caucuses from the last election cycle. This doesn't show that I"m disruptive, this just shows that young wannabee "cyber cops" like to assert some power. I have no problems with someone coming and improving my work, rather quite the opposite. Now, as to the current situation. What is going on is completely bogus. Yes, I'm a bit of a fan of creating stubs. Stubs are necessary. For example, the de la Meurthe article, which was called for deletion because the one and only Vice president of France wasn't notable, is one of these. There are lots of these and it's part of what Wikipedia is for. So it was with the 2020 Democratic candidate and Debate articles. AS to the latter, The article was created last December along with the "candidates" page. Election articles are fluid and need revision constantly. If you take a look, the December 2015 revision of the 2016 United States presidential election article looks absolutely nothing like the current version. Same thing with the subsidiary articles. Setting up a requisite number of stubs somewhat early in order to get everything right when the time comes is, in my opinion, a good idea, we have the templates finished and we could start popping info in. Easy peasy. But did they? No. A few people (six, in fact), decided to have a "consensus" without informing me or anyone else about it. Having noticed that the two articles were suddenly gone, I complained. There was no consensus. When a few people said it might be a nice idea to revive the "candidates" (actually if you look at the talk page conversation the people who requested it didn't know there was one) because the article was becoming too unwieldy. I left a note saying that since this was the case if there were no objections in the next three days, I'd revive the article. There were none, and so I did it, and then a couple of days later, WHAM!!!!! They were deleted again, saying that there was a "consensus" last December. I vociferously objected. Therefore the two alleged "violations" were justified and therefore not violations at all. Now as to Mélencron's starting an edit war with me there's a difference. Mélencron generally reverts everything I do whether it's necessary or not (and it usually isn't). I reflexively revert his reversions. His reversions of my trying to note who has been invited to the debates and who haven't are the disruptive stuff. It is necessary to inform the reader the basic info on the assumption that the reader is not going to move to another page unless he or she actually WANTS to. When it's easy to add more information in an unintrusive way, like adding an "*" to a name, then we should do so. Keeping the information from readers is always bad. IN other words: it wasn't I being disruptive, it was Mélencron... and finally, I'd like to quote this explanation of a revision of my stuff: David O. Johnson contribs 170,133 bytes +1 Undid revision 902165738 by Arglebargle79 (talk) we don't have to go by what the DNC says" In my opinion, it's better if we do when they make the rules. Arglebargle79 (talk) 15:25, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
Statement by MélencronI'm not able to currently comment extensively on this and I will come back to this later, but in general I intend to echo JFG's comments about a long-term pattern of disruption, combative editing, and WP:CIR issues with the user in question which has remained unchanged over the years. Mélencron (talk) 15:37, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
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63.141.56.198
Wrong venue. Try WP:AN3. |
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Given that multiple others have reverted this edit, it definitely qualifies as a challenged edit and thus should not be reinstated without first finding consensus on the talk page.
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Editor's account appears new, with only edits the last few hours. However, editing this article requires first viewing a banner noting the discretionary sanctions, so it is highly likely they are aware of them. In my revert comment, though I did not mention the sanctions directly, I did state, "At this point any disagreement should find consensus in the talk page before removal"
With regard to the edit itself, the editor violating sanctions incorrectly points to an inaccurate description of the article's content in the opening section as justification for removal of the content. That description notes that "refugee camps" are to be excluded from the article. However, the content in question is about concentration camps that happen to hold refugees, not "refugee camps." There are other examples of concentration camps that happen to hold refugees in other parts of the article. See List of concentration and internment camps#Australia, Canada: Internment of Jewish Refugees, Denmark: After World War II, Finland: WWII, France: Spanish Republicans, India: World War II, Netherlands. (I have never submitted one of these requests for enforcement before, so apologies if this is inappropriate and unnecessary information.)
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Eric Corbett
The consensus is clearly that no action should be taken. Seraphimblade Talk to me 22:54, 22 June 2019 (UTC) |
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This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning Eric Corbett
This seems awfully cut and dry. (Non-administrator comment) –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 21:11, 22 June 2019 (UTC) Are we really going to say things like this? ..Really? I am just in utter disbelief right now. Is there even a point in responding to that remark? –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 21:55, 22 June 2019 (UTC)
Discussion concerning Eric CorbettStatements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Statement by Eric CorbettI have not even the slightest interest in the outcome of this case, but I would just like to correct something. I did not express contempt for anything, despite what the over-zealous filer may claim, I merely stated my opinion that I couldn't care less about it. And I will add my observation that against the backdrop of the recent over-reach of power by the WMF to suppress the unwelcome opinions of one particular editor, to suppress the unwelcome opinions of yet another seems like a dangerous option. Eric Corbett 21:42, 22 June 2019 (UTC) Statement by Pppery@Iridescent: It doesn't matter whether he's Statement by PrometheanDon't participate in the RFA process except for voting and asking the candidate questions; That was the ruling of the Arbitration committee, and they even went so far to explicitly name the sections Eric is allowed to participate in; The comments section is deliberately omitted from that list. Would suggest at the very least removing the comments and a authoritative reminder to the user concerned so as to ensure WP:ARBCOM's ruling is properly enforced. «l|Promethean|l» (talk) 21:56, 22 June 2019 (UTC) @NYB: That is a matter for an amendment, which Eric is more than entitled to raise with AC if he wishes. Perhaps that can be the compromise; No action taken, but Eric clarifies with AC if comments is in or out for next time. Right now it's out, and to assume it's in is an indulgent interpretation that isn't what's on paper. «l|Promethean|l» (talk) 22:13, 22 June 2019 (UTC) Just putting this here: [8] Statement by TonyBallioniConsidering he was initially replying to me, I’m not commenting in the admin section, but I don’t really care that Eric replied to me and let’s not let this turn into even more dramah that is unnecessary. If someone wants, remove the comments, but this is pretty minor. AE should not increase drama on the project when unnecessary, and I’d hardly call it necessary now. TonyBallioni (talk) 22:15, 22 June 2019 (UTC) Statement by Bbb23Regardless of anything else, I wish this had not been brought here. I have no interest in seeing Eric sanctioned. I don't care whether his comment is removed. I do think the comment is a violation of the ban, but I'm not going to argue with those who disagree as, uh, I don't care that much. I think Eric's response was worse than his "violation", and although not surprising, certainly not sanctionable. I will have nothing more to say here.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:47, 22 June 2019 (UTC) Statement by (username)Result concerning Eric Corbett
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