Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2018 April 19: Difference between revisions

• Template:Wikipedia ads (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Why do you have to convince people to do things via ads, it violates WP:NOTADVERTISING, because wikipedia is not an advertising platform by any means even with itself. I understand why people want to keep it, but still. Kirbyaddict99 (talk) 23:14, 19 April 2018 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE 03:33, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep these are by and large opt-in templates place on editors own userpages themselves, or by related wikiprojects. This is not "advertising" and is not used to target readers of articles at all. — xaosflux ^Talk 18:05, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Perhaps these ads violate the letter of WP:NOTADVERTISING, but I certainly don't think they violate the spirit of it. I think the project would definitely be worse off for losing the RfA ad, for example. And WP:NOTADVERTISING does say "Non-disruptive statements of opinion on internal Wikipedia policies and guidelines may be made on user pages and within the Wikipedia: namespace, as they are relevant to the current and future operation of the project." So even the policy itself admits that it is not completely black and white. — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 01:15, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per above. I don't see the harm in placing these on userpages, wikiprojects, etc. Sro23 (talk) 03:07, 21 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Template:Dream Team (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Procedural nomination on behalf of Govvy who nominated this at MfD with the rationale:

With all the names being set to merge or redirect it makes this template redundant.

--kelapstick^(bainuu) 20:03, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Hhhhhkohhhhh (talk) 03:07, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep − 8 of the names do not redirect. Bogger (talk) 09:22, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

All the pages on the template currently redirect, except the list of characters page which has been nominated for deletion. The closure of the AfDs ended with a merge recommendation, so now all the pages redirect to the main article. I just redirected them (not merge, as I didn't see any content worth merging as it was all in-universe writing), but the history is still there if someone wanted to take any content and merge it across (but I don't see much value in that). --kelapstick^(bainuu) 14:03, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Template:Hayatabad (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

no navigable links. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:52, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Template:Fb cl MLS team (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Old style, no need. same usage of Module:Sports table, should be replaced, and current MLS season use that module, not sure previous is Hhhhhkohhhhh (talk) 13:17, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. GiantSnowman 18:50, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@GiantSnowman: This is not about players. Hhhhhkohhhhh (talk) 05:01, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Template:Fb cl2 team Copa MX (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Fb cl2 team 2pts (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Fb cl2 team (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Fb cl2 qr (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Fb cl2 header navbar (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Fb cl team H&A (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Fb cl team 4pts (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Fb cl team 2pts (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Fb cl team (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Fb cl qr (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Fb cl hth (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Fb cl header navbar (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Fb cl header H&A (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Fb cl header (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Old style, no need. Same usage of Module:Sports table, should be replaced, note that I can not tag some templates, because those template is template-protected Hhhhhkohhhhh (talk) 13:06, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - not needed. GiantSnowman 18:50, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Template:Fb cl header H&A as it's used, see 2007–08 Football Conference. The first table on this Football Conference page was completely messed up by adding the 'page for deletion' box to the template page, so I've taken the liberty of removing the 'page for deletion' notice from this template's page in the hope that the Football Conference page reverts to its previously healthy state when the caching of the template page is next done (Is that how it works?) There are also lots and lots of other places this template would be very useful in tidying up that type of league table, but I've never got round to doing it... Mmitchell10 (talk) 20:36, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Mmitchell10: (Copy from previous TfD discussion) the point of TfD is to first determine if there is a consensus to eliminate the use of a template and if it is viable to replace it. It doesn't make sense to do numerous edits to convert all the tables if people don't want to convert all the tables - that's is why we have this discussion first. Then once a consensus is there the template is listed in WP:TFDH, where time is given - as much time as needed - for all instances to be removed. The templates are definitely not going to be deleted before the instances are removed. Unlike in other deletion discussions, this discussion ending in delete doesn't mean instant deletion. (origin from Galobtter) Hhhhhkohhhhh (talk) 02:05, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I would say, though, to please make sure to noinclude the deletion tag or select the don't show option in twinkle; as that is causing breakage Galobtter (pingó mió) 05:04, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Template:Fb a team (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Fb a2 team (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Propose merging Template:Fb a team with Template:Fb a2 team.
same usage, but without relying on Fb team templates Hhhhhkohhhhh (talk) 12:58, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete both - what purpose do they serve?! GiantSnowman 18:49, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@GiantSnowman: So what is the replacement of {{Fb a2 team}}? I have no idea about this. Hhhhhkohhhhh (talk) 02:07, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge As Fb team templates seem deprecated, fb a2 team must be the final template to use. Asturkian (talk) 14:24, 20 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Template:Iron Chef Gauntlet 1 (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template is redundant and unnecessary, it contains the exact same information as in the article itself. It is also not used in any other article nor will it be. It has also been removed from the parent article Iron Chef Gauntlet. SanAnMan (talk) 12:40, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. It's pretty easy to say that the template isn't used in any other article after you removed it from another article. Anyway, I think I'm going to have to bring up WP:OSE in this case due to several other reality cooking competition series that have templates like this (and it would be different if only one entry in the template had an article). Erpert ^{blah, blah, blah...} 16:31, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Erpert: But that's the point, the template is only used in the article that the template is about in the first place. The template is about the results of Season 1 of Iron Chef Gauntlet. which is the article that it was removed from; in other words, the exact same article that the template is about. It's not that other stuff exists, it's that the template is an exact repeat of information in the article that the template is about. - SanAnMan (talk) 17:02, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Not true; it is featured on the chefs' respective articles as well. Erpert ^{blah, blah, blah...} 17:25, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Template:DabprimaryExpand (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Why create a new page just so you can move the disambiguation page that used to be there to "{{PAGENAME}} (disambiguation)"? Also, this template is bigger than the AFD tag. Lojbanist ^{remove cattle from stage} 02:53, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Template:SIA-Conversion-Expand (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Set-index articles are very rare, and disambigs are almost never converted to set-indexes. Therefore, this template is a solution looking for a problem. Lojbanist ^{remove cattle from stage} 02:31, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. It is a maintenance-type / cleanup-type tag, used for a while in the past to mark disambiguation pages that should probably be converted to SIA pages. It was/can be useful for disambiguation-focused editors racing through the monthly disambiguation challenge to mark dabs for further thought. Sure, SIA pages are relatively rare, so what? It would be fine for a cleanup category to be entirely empty, we still keep such things. --Doncram (talk) 02:35, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Specifically, currently suggested are:

• Diffusivity
• Alligator lizard
• Bollworm
• Armoured corps
• Boundary commission
• Service dress
• Brown bat
• Military Council
• Battle of Kharkov
• Rat flea
• Western Naval Task Force

It is a decent suggestion for each of those, that the topics should be converted to Set Index Articles. --Doncram (talk) 02:40, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep – I would agree with Doncram. I don't think this falls under WP:BROKE, because there are articles where this template can be usefully applied, even if not many. That can easily change, though, say if someone decides to go through a whole bunch of disambiguation pages in their WikiProject and finds that several can be converted into SIAs. We don't delete templates that have a theoretical application just because they currently don't apply anywhere.--Newbiepedian (talk · C · X! · L) 20:00, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Template:Patronymic (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Too specific. Lojbanist ^{remove cattle from stage} 02:26, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep power~enwiki (π, ν) 03:52, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Template:NovelsWikiProject Collaboration (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Really old template. Lojbanist ^{remove cattle from stage} 02:24, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - There are so many really old templates that should also go then - in fact why not delete them all! :: Kevinalewis : ^{(Talk Page)}/_(Desk) 08:28, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Template:Haifaa al-Mansour (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Mostly unlinked articles; not enough linked article per WP:NENAN. -- Alex^TW 10:36, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]