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==Ihardlythinkso==
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*Topic ban should be granted. GoldenRing, it is true that AP turns the heat up a little bit, but this is out of all proportion. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 00:10, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
*Topic ban should be granted. GoldenRing, it is true that AP turns the heat up a little bit, but this is out of all proportion. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 00:10, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
:*I wasn't trying to make excuses for him. And now we've got that statement.... wow. {{re|Ihardlythinkso}} Even if everything you say is true, your bias or point-of-view is not the problem here; the problem is the very combative an uncollegial way in which you approach this topic area. [[User:GoldenRing|GoldenRing]] ([[User talk:GoldenRing|talk]]) 00:52, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
:*I wasn't trying to make excuses for him. And now we've got that statement.... wow. {{re|Ihardlythinkso}} Even if everything you say is true, your bias or point-of-view is not the problem here; the problem is the very combative an uncollegial way in which you approach this topic area. [[User:GoldenRing|GoldenRing]] ([[User talk:GoldenRing|talk]]) 00:52, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
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    Proximity1

    Proximity1 is topic banned for six months from Shakespeare Authorship Question and related pages, broadly construed. Bishonen | talk 19:48, 3 May 2017 (UTC).[reply]
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    Request concerning Proximity1

    User who is submitting this request for enforcement
    Ian.thomson (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 13:28, 2 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    User against whom enforcement is requested
    Proximity1 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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    Sanction or remedy to be enforced
    Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Shakespeare_authorship_question :
    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
    1. [1] Asking for us to create artificial balance and give undue prominence to the authorship conspiracy theories
    2. [2] Pretty much claiming that because Argumentum ad populum is a thing, the "Stratfordian" view must be wrong
    3. [3] Mucking up an essay to promote the idea that believers of fringe positions should be the ones to write about fringe ideas.
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    • Gave an alert about discretionary sanctions in the area of conflict in the last twelve months, on 25 April 2017‎
    Additional comments by editor filing complaint

    Open and shut, really. Ian.thomson (talk) 13:29, 2 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

    Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

    [4]


    Discussion concerning Proximity1

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    Statement by Proximity1

    RE: these allegations

     What you have here is a member attempting to shut down ordinary WP policy and procedure by appeal to this panel in bringing before it completely false claims in each of the items below:
    


       [110] Asking for us to create artificial balance and give undue prominence to the authorship conspiracy theories
    
      I deny the accuracy of this claim.  "Undue prominence"  to alternatives to Shakespeare's authorship  cannot be fairly alleged in a page devoted to "The Shakespeare Authorship Question" itself as titled-topic.  If anything, "undue prominence" amounting to hostile and outright bias in support of the partisan view favoring Shakespeare is the case at this page.
    


       [111] Pretty much claiming that because Argumentum ad populum is a thing, the "Stratfordian" view must be wrong
    
            I deny the accuracy of this claim.  I claim, assert no such thing.
    
       [112] Mucking up an essay to promote the idea that believers of fringe positions should be the ones to write about fringe ideas.   
    
      "Mucking up"?  
    
      I answer:   The WP policies require that, in the first instance, a member finding bias and lack of required neutrality first raise the issue in the relevant Talk-page of the article concerned.  
          
          I deny the accuracy of this claim.  Indeed, this is a patently hostile mischaracterization of my view-- which is that, indeed, in a partisan controverrsy, no partisan adherant should be allowed to stand in for, to represent for his or her adversaries, their points of view --whether those points of view be of the minority or of the majority.  Every camp, every arguant's position should be reserved for explanation, presentation and clarification by partisans, and only by partisans, of each point of view concerned.
    
     I further propose to the Arbitration panel that it examine for good-faith grounds of the complaints being urged by the member bringing the complaint and review them for their possible hostile and suppressive intent and, if the panel finds thes complaints ill or un-founded, that it sanction the member having brought this complaint.
    

    Proximity1 (talk) 13:51, 2 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

    Statement by MjolnirPants

    I just want to point out that disruption is disruption; whether it occurs at talk or in an article. If this user is being disruptive, then there's no reason why DS shouldn't apply, unless there's a disclaimer somewhere specifying that it only applies to article-space edits. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 15:10, 2 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

    Statement by Xover

    Current Arbs and mop wielders that were not directly involved with the case may wish to refresh their memory of WP:ARBSAQ. WP:BATTLEGROUND, polite POV pushing (the non-polite version is much easier to deal with), and WP:NOTHERE (righting great wrongs, fighting the "conspiracy of the mainstream Shakespeare establishment", etc.) were central themes of the case. I also encourage you try to trawl through Talk:Shakespeare authorship question archives; at the point you give up you'll realise what the problem was (its manifestation was on Talk pages more than in articles). This current AE request is slightly premature IMO (insufficient length of WP:ROPE), but it bears all the hallmarks of previous rounds. @Sandstein: I absolutely guarantee that DS is what's preventing ARBSAQ2 from being needed in relatively short order. It's not an issue that will fade away on its own. Case in point: the current AE (premature though it is, it would have ended up here pretty soon anyway). --Xover (talk) 17:38, 2 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

    Statement by RolandR

    No-one seems to have responded to Proximity's argument that "in a partisan controverrsy, no partisan adherant should be allowed to stand in for, to represent for his or her adversaries, their points of view --whether those points of view be of the minority or of the majority. Every camp, every arguant's position should be reserved for explanation, presentation and clarification by partisans, and only by partisans, of each point of view concerned." This is so clearly against Wikipedia's norms and guidelines that it cannot be ignored. Wikipedia is based on a neutral point of view. This does not mean that editors may not hold particular points of view, but does mean that we must edit neutrally. We should not ignore and dismiss the point of view of those we disagree with, and nor may we present our own point of view as unquestioned fact. Wikipedia is not a debating chamber, and articles should not be a place where rival points of view are presented and voted on. If Proximity cannot accept this basic rule, then they have no business editing anywhere on Wikipedia, and least of all in such a highly contentious article. RolandR (talk) 22:34, 2 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

    Statement by Johnuniq

    Edits by Proximity1 to Shakespeare authorship question, each reverted:

    The talk page section showing that consensus is against the external link was on 24 April 2017. The discussion leading to a major cleanup of external links was in February 2011.

    The above shows that a minimum of a final warning is required regarding edit waring and advocacy from WP:ARBSAQ single purpose accounts (Proximity1 has 76 edits since 16 March 2017, each of which focus on a particular SAQ theory, and 12 edits prior to that). Johnuniq (talk) 23:40, 2 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

    Statement by (username)

    Result concerning Proximity1

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    • Not actionable. These are talk page arguments in a content dispute. Arbitration and arbitration enforcement do not resolve content disputes, only issues of user conduct. No violation of a conduct policy is claimed or apparent here.  Sandstein  13:50, 2 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    • I'm not saying that there might not be a case for sanctions based on talk page conduct, but this request does not establish it with its evidence. Admins who think they have seen enough based on their own experience are of course free to go ahead with sanctions on their own.  Sandstein  18:46, 2 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    • I agree with Sandstein. Having a fringe belief while on Wikipedia is not a crime, nor is posting to the talkpage asking about NPOV balance. We'd need actual evidence of disruption that the normal editorial process cannot adequately handle. As a sidenote, this is the first time I've seen anyone brought to AE under this case in ages. Do we really still need DS for this? The WordsmithTalk to me 14:37, 2 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    • Agree there's no action here. Proximity has appeared only to be active on that page for about a 2 week period, and has roughly a dozen talk page statements (given or take post-edits to clean up their statements). That's far from being disruptive on a talk page, and as pointed out above, using the talk page to discuss fringe theories is far from a problem on WP. Now, if there was an RFC that conclusively said what and what not to include, and they continued to beat the dead horse on the matter, that might be different, but I don't see anything that suggests this is the case. --MASEM (t) 15:23, 2 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    • Bishonen, more than half of their edits on that page are small revisions to the last "new" talk page thread they posted, standard wordsmithing of one's own position, hence why I say only about a dozen "new" posts. --MASEM (t) 20:42, 2 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    • Based on Johnuniq's new info, which shows 4 mainspace edits that are known to be contested that all came after Proximity replied to this Enforcement request (which shows they should be aware of the DS that can be applied), I agree now there should be some type of action, either a topic ban and/or a short term block. --MASEM (t) 23:49, 2 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    • There has been a discussion about this editor on my talk page. He has been reverting at Shakespeare authorship question to restore a POV tag to the article. (See [5] and [6]). Per the common practice in edit warring cases, where people continue to revert after being sufficiently warned, I was nearly at the point of issuing a block. It's OK to decline something as a content dispute if the parties appear to be working in good faith, but this guy is sending up flares to announce he is correct about everything and he is deprecating the reasoning ability of the other parties. "I would be ashamed to offer such flimsy excuses.." and "..smoke-screen pseudo-arguments devoid of merit." EdJohnston (talk) 16:01, 2 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    • The user is attempting to bludgeon the talkpage allright (I make it 33 edits to Talk:Shakespeare authorship question in the last week; maybe Masem counts in a different way) and seems unwilling to listen to advice and information from experienced editors — here to push a POV, in other words. But I think this report may be premature for all that. Experienced editors are reminded that they don't have to reply over and over to repetitious complaints or irrelevancies; once policies and guidelines have been explained, it's on Proximity if they haven't been listening. I really like Nishidani's advice to Proximity, "This talk page has 29 huge archives which have explored every angle, objection, fringe lunatic thesis, etc., that the de Verean et al., fantasists have come up with ... I'd suggest you read the archives through from first to last before coming back",[7] which is currently the last post on the talkpage, but it may not take. Therefore I suggest simply a warning to Proximity to not talk so much and listen better, and to not reintroduce the inappropriate POV tag on the article unless and until they get consensus for it being there. If they should edit war further on the article, or post so copiously that the talkpage becomes unusable (I remember one user who was sanctioned for doing that, in the old RFAR), a new AE complaint can be started. Or someone can simply alert Ed, or me, as I have some acquaintance with the article and the original case. And Proximity, you have been advised over and over to start writing right at the left margin, and to indent using colons. Please try. It looks a mess. Bishonen | talk 17:57, 2 May 2017 (UTC).[reply]
    • In view of Proximity1's continued edit warring to insert a particular external link against consensus, see Johnuniq's post above, I've changed my mind. They seem impervious to both talkpage consensus and the comments here from uninvolved admins, see the timestamps of the edits made. Unless there are objections here, I'll topic ban the user from Shakespeare authorship question and related pages, broadly construed, for six months. Bishonen | talk 00:19, 3 May 2017 (UTC).[reply]
    • Bludgeoning a talk page with appeals to fringe beliefs is an issue, any way you slice it. That in itself is disruptive. Editors pushing a POV do this regularly in an attempt to talk long enough that others stop, at which point they claim consensus in their favor. Discretionary sanctions are placed largely to allow the community to better deal with civil POV pushing, which is something admins usually struggle to manage. It is a problem. See Wikipedia:Civil POV pushing.

      I propose placing a restriction under discretionary sanctions that Proximity1 limit their edits to Talk:Shakespeare authorship question to an average of one per day over any 7 day period (e.g. one edit per day, but this is averaged over a period so they don't necessarily have to wait 24 hours to respond to someone). This is a very minor sanction intended to allow Proximity1 to contribute fully ÷with a rate limit that most editors would never hit. They should also be cautioned that pushing a fringe POV in this topic area is likely to result in a topic ban. ~ Rob13Talk 20:56, 2 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

      • I hadn't realize the edit warring continued after comments from administrators. In light of that information, I agree with Bishonen that a topic ban is necessary. ~ Rob13Talk 02:59, 3 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    • Much of this may be due to a misunderstanding of WP:NPOV and WP:FRINGE on Proximity1's part; his conception of "neutrality" is understandable but not the one used by Wikipedia. If this is kept up, it indeed will become disruptive quite soon. I don't think we're there quite yet, but Proximity1 should take this as a warning of what will likely happen if he keeps up his conduct. Huon (talk) 22:27, 2 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    • I quite agree with Bishonen here. This is clearly becoming disruptive, and a topic ban is needed. The edit warring certainly doesn't help anyone's case. Seraphimblade Talk to me 01:28, 3 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    • A topic ban is in order, with the initial unhelpful conduct now compounded by edit warring. Support Bishonen's proposed action above. Lord Roem ~ (talk) 04:50, 3 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

    81.104.12.193

    Both pages indef semi-protected. Lord Roem ~ (talk) 21:46, 5 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

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    Request concerning 81.104.12.193

    User who is submitting this request for enforcement
    Mabuska (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 12:36, 4 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    User against whom enforcement is requested
    81.104.12.193 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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    Sanction or remedy to be enforced
    Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/The_Troubles#Standard_discretionary_sanctions
    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

    All edits revolve around the removal of the Irish name for the Northern Irish settlements of Lisburn and Hillsborough. These names are included per agreement at Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Ireland-related_articles#Other_names with the names themselves verified to the official body for this topic at [8] and supplementary at [9]. These removals qualify as Troubles related as the Irish language is a strong bone of contention between loyalists and republicans, something recently in the press quite a lot.

    1. 3 Dec 2017 Removal of Irish name for Lisburn
    2. 21 Jan 2017 Removal of same for Hillsborough
    3. 25 Jan 2017 Hillsborough again
    4. 2 Feb 2017 Hillsborough again
    5. 2 Feb 2017 Lisburn again
    6. 10 Feb 2017 Lisburn again
    7. 17 Feb 2017 Lisburn again
    8. 17 Feb 2017 Hillsborough again
    9. 13 Mar 2017 Lisburn again
    10. 4 May 2017 Lisbrn again

    The following three other IP's appear to be the same user but possibly from a different machine they don't have regular access too: Special:Contributions/86.153.244.5, Special:Contributions/82.7.125.216 and Special:Contributions/82.132.225.167, which combine for another 6 removals of the Irish name from the two articles.

    Alerted about discretionary sanctions in the area of conflict in the last twelve months, 14 Mar 2017 by @Nfitz:.

    Additional comments by editor filing complaint

    @Daithidebarra: did their utmost to get the IP to engage in discussion as evident from their requests on the IP's talk page and the discussion initiated at Talk:Hillsborough,_County_Down#Irish_Language_name_for_area_known_in_English_as_.22Hillsborough.22_and_Request_for_Discussion, where the IP was explained in detail why their removal was wrong and why the Irish form of the places are included.

    Semi page protection would be pointless unless it was for a prolonged period of time as the editor is willing wait weeks or months before returning to redo their removal of the information. The same for an initial block as the editor may not return for a while in which time the block will have elapsed before it could even attempt to encourage them to rethink their behaviour.

    Also considering the IP has been editing since their appearance with a POV slant, and that over the past few months their edits only appear to be do with the unreasonable removal of the Irish names for Lisburn and Hillsborough and they are completely unwilling to partake in discussion over it I would say they are not contributing to Wikipedia in a meaningful way and a long-term block of the IP(s) should be considered.

    Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

    User_talk:81.104.12.193#Arbitration_Committee_referral


    Discussion concerning 81.104.12.193

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    Statement by 81.104.12.193

    Statement by Mabuska

    @Black Kite:, what is PC1? I'm happy with whatever works best to stop the disruptive edits. Mabuska (talk) 14:03, 5 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

    Statement by (username)

    Result concerning 81.104.12.193

    This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.
    • Blocking the IPs is pointless, they're all dynamic (2 x Virgin Media, 1 x BT, 1 x O2 mobile). Yes, some of them are long-standing but it would be easy for them to switch IP addresses. Using PC1 for the articles would be far more useful. Black Kite (talk) 23:38, 4 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    • The only problem with Pending Changes is that regular editors need to spend time undoing the inappropriate edits, which occur several times a month. Since the problem has continued for so long, I'd suggest indefinite semiprotection for the two articles. The semi could be lifted in a couple of years if the problem goes away. EdJohnston (talk) 14:45, 5 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

    Ihardlythinkso

    User:Ihardlythinkso is indefinitely topic-banned from post-1932 American Politics, broadly construed. This sanction may be brought here for reconsideration after six months. GoldenRing (talk) 01:03, 10 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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    Request concerning Ihardlythinkso

    User who is submitting this request for enforcement
    MrX (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 21:47, 9 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    User against whom enforcement is requested
    Ihardlythinkso (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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    Sanction or remedy to be enforced
    WP:ARBAPDS

    "Wikipedia editors are expected to behave reasonably, calmly, and courteously in their interactions with other editors; to approach even difficult situations in a dignified fashion and with a constructive and collaborative outlook; and to avoid acting in a manner that brings the project into disrepute. Unseemly conduct, such as personal attacks, incivility, assumptions of bad faith, harassment, disruptive point-making, and gaming the system, is prohibited."

    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
    1. May 5, 2017 (mild) personal attack
    2. May 5, 2017 Blatant (possibly libelous) WP:BLP violation
    3. May 6, 2017 Personal attack
    4. May 9, 2017 Personal attack and politicising disputes
    5. May 9, 2017 Personal attack and politicising disputes
    Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any
    1. August 2, 2016 Topic banned
    2. August 2, 2016 Blocked for personal attacks
    3. November 7, 2016 AE sanction
    1. January 31, 2017 Blocked for personal attacks
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    The diffs speak for themselves.

    This editor has once again ramped up the personal attacks and general battleground behaviour. The latest attacks directed at me include a ridiculous accusation of stalking after I reverted his reversion of what I considered a good edit. Of course, before accusing me of stalking, he reverted again.- MrX 21:47, 9 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

    Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

    Notified

    Discussion concerning Ihardlythinkso

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    Statement by Ihardlythinkso

    What do you want a response on? The Donald Trump page is left open to disparaging remarks about the bio subject's character; that page needs to be patrolled better by admins. It's hypocrisy or bias to stomp down on "equal time" remarks about his rival. (And nothing I posted was any worse than available RSs about the character of that person, proof is Jeanine Pirro's opening statement here.) The WP is already liberally biased and I'm seldom on the Donald Trump article Talk especially because of it. Notice editors like Anythingyouwant are ostracized there and nitpicked unendingly until chased away. MrX is part of that effort. He takes a front seat to bias that article, including elimination of me through lecture, reversion, stalking, and insult. (The hypocrisy of recently informing me that as editor I'm "insignificant" and "Good day!" followed by opening this case.) There is no doubt in my mind WP is overrun w/ liberal bias, even the Remembrance Project is laced with coloring the founder with ties and motivations connected somehow to Hitler. As far as battlegrounding with any of this bias, that is absurd, there is too much of it and it has gone on for too long and is too pervasive. No one rational would spend their time in attempt to NPOV it back to respectability for an encyclopedia. And I have no interest at that article except to peek once in awhile, and if I make a post about something it is becauase the absurdity & bias is so rampant, a comment saying the King has No Clothes was called for. So pick on me, go ahead. I do not really give a damn. It isn't about me, it is about the blatant bias that is and has been already there. Be proud. I am not. And would never recommend any friends of family to read WP political articles. I've already seen enough and discussed enough w/ people offline about this to know everything I've said is true. So I don't give a damn about your power to ban me from that article or even political articles. The editor with agenda are those that bias it. Look at my edit history to see if I have improved political articles and if so how. I do not add bias but I might revert it. At the Pruitt lede I reverted a new claim that Pruitt "intends to dismantle the EPA", even though it was not a summary of anything near that in the article, and the refs posted to support the contention lead with an opinion piece. The statement is equivalent to putting mind-reading in Wikipedia's voice, supported by op-ed. Blatant bias. When I specified that I reverted on those bases, MrX reverted me with only "it was a good edit". Wow. Do not blame me for the absurd bias of articles and the majority of liberal NPOV warriors out to denegrate Trump and anything associated with him. I know the hatred is there in MSM, and Wikipedia is a sort of MSM, also dominated by liberal POV. Now one of those warriors is out for blood. And I don't give a care if you give it too him, because as mentioned the status of things is already too-far gone, and I've never ever been a part of any generealized effort to reverse it, I have more realistic things to do w/ my time. But obviously this is very important to MrX and others who support the liberal bias, they outnumber any of the opposers like Anythingyouwant. (Who along with me was accused of "disruption" and "this must be stopped" simply from taking the position in discussion that if it is mentioned Trump did not win a majority of the popular vote, that his implied or stated main opponent didn't either. Somehow, the logic of that is impossible to see, or takes excruciating effort to see, as per comments at that Talk. Give me a break.)

    BTW, what was it I was supposed to respond to specifically?

    Another thing, the previous ban of me on the Donald Trump article was bogus and unfair (par for the course, good job Bish, I went to your Talk to complain about something else besides the ban you supported, and another user follows me to your Talk to harass me, a user whose biggest objection is that I added a blockquote to a quote greater than 40 words per MoS, and that I changed a piped link from an article specifically about history of women's rights in U.S., to an article about feminism in the U.S., which was more what the relevant article topic was about, and somehow I get blocked at her Talk when objecting to the user harassing me there). The article stated that Trump in the Hollywood tape referred to his assults against women, synonymous to admission of having committed crimes against them, when he never made any such admission, so why is WP stating so if MSM biased RSs exist that like/want to say so? (The answer is, because the editors dominating the article are just as biased and smear-enthusiastic as the MSM.) I did the right thing to protect a living BLP subject from such trashy statements, and what did I get? Banned. Good one. (And now use that ban as further evidence that I need another ban? Oh good one. That's so impressive! Not.) --IHTS (talk) 00:40, 10 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

    • You need to be specific for me to understand your meaning. (Do mean the list of adjectives I posted about Hillary?) Please be specific what you mean, and where (diff). At my Talk please, not here. Thx. --IHTS (talk) 00:57, 10 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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    • Awaiting their statement, but I'm already strongly inclined to issue an extended topic ban. After being sanctioned in this topic area twice before, and after numerous blocks for this kind of behavior, there's no change in conduct. An indef topic ban with the opportunity to appeal in 6 months seems more than appropriate based on this lengthy record. Lord Roem ~ (talk) 22:13, 9 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    • I'll leave some time for a statement, but I also agree that the material presented here seems to reasonably well speak for itself. This is absolutely not what we need in a sensitive and already tense area. Seraphimblade Talk to me 23:22, 9 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    • I wasn't trying to make excuses for him. And now we've got that statement.... wow. @Ihardlythinkso: Even if everything you say is true, your bias or point-of-view is not the problem here; the problem is the very combative an uncollegial way in which you approach this topic area. GoldenRing (talk) 00:52, 10 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]