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Hello, I'm MelbourneStar. I noticed that in this edit to Shruti Bisht, you removed content without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry, the removed content has been restored. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. —MelbourneStar☆^talk 08:13, 7 September 2016 (UTC) [reply]

Thank you for providing some much-needed context in these edits about Mouni Roy's characters. That's exactly what needs to be done with these entries. Much appreciated. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 23:23, 15 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

You're Welcome @Cyphoidbomb:! M.Billoo2000 (talk) 11:28, 16 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi!

Mouni Roy is playing dual character in S2 of Naagin, Shivanya (also in S1) and her daughter Shivangi (from S2). In the promos of the S2, it was shown that Shivangi will become a Naagin, but how it will be shown in story.

Hope you understand what I am saying. Thanks! M.Billoo2000 (talk) 12:48, 16 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there, I seen the edit summary you left on Ali Zafar where you called the edit a temporary edit to check out the design. If you're just checking to see what an edit looks like, please use the preview button before you save your edit; this helps you find any errors you have made, reduces edit conflicts, and prevents clogging up recent changes and the page history. Below the edit box is a Show preview button. Pressing this will show you what the article will look like without actually saving it. Cmr08 (talk) 10:26, 26 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Cmr08:! Thanks for your kind response! It's OK if you can not edit the article. Actually I am new to wikipedia, and I use "mobile device" in which many functions may not work. I thought if preview was not giving the correct result, may be I should check it on "desktop mode" after saving, but desktop mode editing is "very much hard" on this mobile device (I have tried several times for "little edits", like undoing which is not avalaible for mobile devices)... I am not "Extended Confirmed User" by myself yet, and that's why I have not created my own user page... It was awarded me automatically on my 500 edits, and many of my edits are similar like the edits you mentioned. I don't want to create any vandalism, and that's why I mention "temporary" or "mistake" in edit summary, as you can see many on the same article. Thanks once again! I should be very careful from next. M.Billoo2000 (talk) 14:26, 26 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The only reason I mentioned this was because I know you're a new editor and I thought that maybe you didn't know there even was a preview button. If you ever run into problems or have any questions, feel free to leave me a message and I will try to help. Cmr08 (talk) 09:30, 27 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi M.Billoo, re: this, do you have a reference for the series ending? All content must be verifiable. If there is no reference, nobody will ever be able to trust any date that is found in that slot. Thank you. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 20:22, 4 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Cyphoidbomb:!

This was posted by cast member Anushka Sen on her official facebook page, but I think it will not be much valid source. Maybe we have to wait till Monday, and then see that what will happen on SAB TV on that timeslot.

Please also see this, just posted by cast member Dev Joshi (a.k.a. Baal Veer).

Thanks! M.Billoo2000 (talk) 15:33, 5 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Cyphoidbomb:! Hope you have checked the reference link, that I have tagged on the article. Please remove "Citation Needed" tag. Thanks! M.Billoo2000 (talk) 10:04, 8 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Unless we get a source that the feed has been restored, we can't source it and place it in the article. Nate • (chatter) 06:01, 7 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Mrschimpf:! You've mentioned about website, "The network's website remains up, but makes no mention of the suspension", the website was not opening last week, but since I messaged you, the website is also opening. M.Billoo2000 (talk) 08:17, 7 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Mrschimpf:! There's no reference I've found for the re-opening of network, but it is now broadcasting on television, showing original contents and it's official website. Please update. Also, update "Urdu-dubbed" into "Hindi-dubbed", and the controversy was also created due to airing Hindi-dubbed programs. Hope for your kind responce. Thanks! M.Billoo2000 (talk) 10:15, 8 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, we need a source from neutral media or PEMRA that the network's license has been restored; 'I saw it on TV' can't be counted as a source. Even though they've posted to Facebook, that can easily be automated, which I have a feeling is how that's being updated. And the website is 404'ing; that's pretty much the most obvious sign nothing has been resolved. Nate • (chatter) 23:13, 29 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Once again, nothing from PEMRA has been issued, so the status has to remain unchanged. The website might be up too but I'm seeing nothing different from it pre-suspension. Nate • (chatter) 22:59, 1 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi M.Billoo, re: this, summaries of critical response need to come from specific voices from reliable sources. So you'd have to find a source like IBT or TOI that says, "the film received mixed reviews". Otherwise, editors could just find a bunch of negative reviews, stuff them into the article, then describe the overall critical response as negative. We can't cherrypick reviews, then try to interpret how all editors felt based on those selected reviews. Hope that makes sense. Regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 01:02, 29 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Cyphoidbomb: Hi! Sorry for that edit. I didn't got "IBT", but I think it's International Business Times. Well, this news from The Times of India says, "The movie,..., has also received largely positive reviews." Is this source workable for there or not? Thanks! (is this design for sign. correct here?) M. Billoo 15:29, 29 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi M.Billoo, re: this, I'm curious why you're reordering reviews in descending rating order. I feel like I may have asked about this at Dear Zindagi or one of the other articles. This tends to look like we're burying negative reviews so that nobody sees them. It seems very weird to me. I suppose I can understand it a little more if a film was widely praised and there is simply insufficient negative reviews to populate the bulk of the section, but for a film with mixed response, or even a film that was received poorly, this automatic ordering by rating seems counterproductive and a bit promotional. Just a thought. Thanks. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 20:02, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Admin! Sorry, as I am new here. I think the descending arrangement on Dear Zindagi was not done by me, I had put them randomly. It was arranged by some one else ([1]). As in Ae Dil Hai Mushkil, I had put them randomly too, but then arranged as was in Dear Zindagi. Really sorry if it does not seem good. I think you're talking about this, where you've said, "Section is supposed to be coherently-assembled prose, not bullet-points with bells and whistles." I didn't find any source (as you've earlier said that see IBT or TOI for Dear Zindagi) that confirms review summary for ADHM.

If it makes bad impression on both articles, then I would like to try to arrange randomly... But I really need guidance ([2]), Thanks! M. Billoo 07:28, 21 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

One more thing, "Box office" and "Critical response" should be sub-sections of "Release", shouldn't be? M. Billoo 07:35, 21 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think there's a hard rule on that. Sometimes you'll find box office in a reception section. See Mad Max: Fury Road. Sometimes box office gets covered in Release with no sub-section. See Hellraiser: Bloodline. It really depends on what makes the most sense for that particular article. We typically use sub-sections when there is sufficient content do so. If all we have are three sentences on release, domestic gross and international gross, then sub-sections don't really sense. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:57, 23 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Admin! Thanks for updating! I thought it would be a rule, when you did arrangement on Dear Zindagi. M. Billoo 18:46, 23 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there, re: this I'm not aware of any rule that first look posters can't appear in the Infobox. We might wind up using the theatrical version eventually, but it's fine for the first look to appear in the Infobox for a while. Regards. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:44, 23 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Re: this edit – I noticed as you left a message at Mrschimpf's talk page, you added a comment of "You shouldn't have removed this [w]ithout replying, re-adding message". Please be aware of WP:UP#CMT. "If a user removes material from their user page, it is normally taken to mean that the user has read and is aware of its contents." Users are not required to reply on their talk page. Thanks, Corkythehornetfan (ping me) 13:21, 1 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Corkythehornetfan: Thanks for guiding me! As I am a new user, I don't know many rules. Actually in this case, the TV channel is on-air (after being banned for six days) but Wikipedia shows that the channel is still suspended. The information needs to be updated, and I am afraid that if I update it, it could be reverted because there is no reference that confirms the lift on ban. Also, the network's website was made in-accessable but now it can be accessed. Thanks again! M. Billoo 13:44, 1 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

And unfortunately, you're right. It would be reverted without a reliable source to back it up. You can always take it to the Article's talk page and if no one responds, request for comments where other users – who don't have the article on their Watchlist – will visit the talk page and provide feedback for what you can do. Corkythehornetfan (ping me) 14:04, 1 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I changed the punctuation to try and comply with the Manual of Style and with usual English usage. I inserted colons before multi-sentence quotations and removed commas where they were unnecessary, i.e. when the grammar of the quote integrated seamlessly with that of the sentence. Also, sorry about the periods being moved around at the ends of quotes. I'm Canadian and tend to use the American convention for punctuation at the end of quotes, and I only read the manual of style section saying that was wrong on Wikipedia after I had moved some of them, and I tried to get all of them back, but I guess I missed some. goose121 (talk) 04:04, 8 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Goose121: Hi! Ok thanks! M. Billoo 14:28, 8 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for copy editing Shahid Masood page. Saqib (talk) 14:41, 8 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Saqib: You're welcome! Actually, thanks to you, you are working on the page and I am just doing nothing...... M. Billoo 14:47, 8 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi M.Billoo, regarding these changes, it's important that you understand the rules of how to include quotations in English prose. We can't just pull out sections of a quotation without making some indication that we've made changes to it, and especially when it may fundamentally change the meaning of what the person said. So for example, in this quotation if you wanted to remove a portion from the middle:

"The best way to enjoy Raees then is to manage expectations first. This is an uneven film. In places, you will applaud and whistle. But you might also find yourself utterly exhausted."

We still have to indicate that we've removed it, by using ellipses like this:

"The best way to enjoy Raees then is to manage expectations first. ... In places, you will applaud and whistle. But you might also find yourself utterly exhausted."

You could also do it like:

"The best way to enjoy Raees then is to manage expectations first." Ray also felt the film was uneven, commenting, "In places, you will applaud and whistle. But you might also find yourself utterly exhausted."

In this quote though, I don't see why we'd remove the observation that the reviewer felt the film was uneven, that seems directly tied to the rest of the observation.

Re: this quote:

"While the film is engaging, what lets it down are some of the contrived and ridiculous twists in the second half. But the climax packs a punch and that misgiving — 'where is this film going?' — is erased."

I don't think it was a good idea to remove "in the second half", because that fundamentally changes the meaning of the quotation. If the second half was bad in the reviewer's opinion, removing that specific information will now make the reader think that the entire film was bad.

Lastly, there are times when we have to change a quotation so that it makes sense grammatically, or to fix an ambiguity in the language so that we know who we're talking about. In those cases, we use square brackets [ ] to indicate a portion has been changed. For example, let's assume someone said the following about Raees:

Smith wrote, "It lacked energy and his attention to detail was weak."

From that selected quote, a reader doesn't know what "it" is or who "his" is, so we'd fix that by writing:

Smith wrote, "[The film] lacked energy and [Dholakia's] attention to detail was weak."

This way, we have fully disclosed to the reader that we modified a direct quotation for some reason. I hope some of this helps. If you're still not sure of how to do this, I urge you to find a grammar website that helps, or maybe there are some YouTube videos that can help with direct quotations. This is an important academic skill to have. Thanks, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:50, 5 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there, re: this, if there is a reasonable dispute about the gross of a film at any given time, why would you arbitrarily choose the highest one as the official number instead of presenting the information in the form of a range as I did here? All Indian cinema gross figures are GUESSES. There are no absolutes. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 03:15, 8 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

You recently removed Sohai Ali Abro's name in native-language-writing; by inserting it into the "info-box". I have reverted your edits - When you edit Wikipedia articles, always see the 'talk-page', please! (ManFromMohenjodaro (talk) 14:15, 9 February 2017 (UTC))[reply]

@Indusengineer: Hi! So what's written in talk page, which was against my edit'S'? You have reverted most of my edits there without any 'valid' reason! If the reason was only not to mention native name, then you only had reverted that one! She is Sindhi, and I dindn't make it Punjabi and remained in Sindhi. You must see Template:Infobox person for your information, which says,

"native_name: The person's name in their own language, if different.

|native_name_lang: ISO 639-1 code, e.g., "fr" for French. If more than one, use {{lang}} in (|native_name=) instead."

Sorry, but I don't accept you, Thanks! M. Billoo 17:01, 9 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

You removed Sindhi text-script. Do you have any problem with 'Sindhi' text-script? Sohai Ali Abro is 'Sindhi' (she declares it in her latest interview with the daily Dawn). Also, 'Abro' (her last name) is Sindhi caste. You're entitled to who you accept or not, but here at Wikipedia, the rest of us demand 'facts' and 'credible arguments'. Please, don't do this again without discussing your issues with 'Sindhi text-scripts'; else I'll report you for revert-editing to the Wikipedia administrators. It's a warning! (ManFromMohenjodaro (talk) 10:23, 10 February 2017 (UTC))[reply]

@Indusengineer: Thanks for warning me, but you should correct yourself too. I have not removed Sindhi name, but kindly see this edit by the Admin, then inform an admin later. I know she belongs to Sindhi family according to that name, but I think you have problem of 'adding RIGHT name WRONGLY'. Sorry, I again disagree you, see this again. Thanks! M. Billoo 10:51, 10 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It wasn't me! A UK-based Wikipedia user did the 'removing'. I did however alert him yesterday - he couldn't seem to understand or read the text-script, when he mistakenly removed the wrong text-script and the language-name. Thanks for educating me about "Infobox", but I am a Wikipedia user since 2007. Cheers! (ManFromMohenjodaro (talk) 11:05, 10 February 2017 (UTC))[reply]

@Indusengineer: Let us make this confusion clear. Instead of writing it like '{{lang-ur|{{Nastaliq| صوهائي علي ابڙو :[[Sindhi language|Sindhi ]];صوہائی علی ابڑو}}}}', we write it as '{{lang-ur|{{Nastaliq|صوہائی علی ابڑو}}}} {{lang-sd|صوهائي علي ابڙو}}'. Writing like this is better than previous, after that we'll accept what admin say, keeping in view this edit by the Admin. M. Billoo 11:17, 10 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

No!(ManFromMohenjodaro (talk) 11:25, 10 February 2017 (UTC))[reply]

The user "Ponyo" has agreed to my decision. So stop trolling around to get your narrative accepted. (ManFromMohenjodaro (talk) 11:28, 10 February 2017 (UTC))[reply]

@Indusengineer: Do you mean this? M. Billoo 17:15, 10 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Yes! (ManFromMohenjodaro (talk) 17:47, 10 February 2017 (UTC))[reply]

As you reverted my edit for the colour scheme change, how do you suggest we fix Lahore's team colours? Peshawar's colours are also incorrect as the colours should be flipped around.

Thanks. - ProdigyUpdates (talk) 17:54, 12 February 2017 (GST)

@ProdigyUpdates: Hi! As for the edit you are talking, I undid saying it "a nice edit". Means you were right and your edit was right too. But, there is a need to update the template {{Cr-PSL}}. I am also a new user here, and I don't know how to edit templates, but we can make requests on Template talk:Cr-PSL. Thanks! M. Billoo 14:07, 12 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. You drew my attention to List of anthems about Pakistan Super League recently.

To be honest, it's not really my sort of article. It does highlight that each team seems to be creating new anthems for each season - is that the case do you think? I plan on overhauling the team pages again once the league is finished for the year and it would be useful to know if this is the case. I'd also like people to think about moving the detail of the 2017 season to season articles - as Islamabad United in 2016 for example. That will let us take some of the masses of detail out of the individual season.

As well as that, the draft articles could use some work. I've mentioned this on the 2017 draft talk page - could you tell me your thoughts there about that idea?

With regard to the anthems article, I think it might be better to name it List of anthems of the Pakistan Super League. I *think* that would be a slightly better English language name - perhaps the article can be moved to that name? I think it has some mileage and it's a useful holding page for this sort of information if they really are going to release new songs each year.

I'd be keen to know your thoughts in general. Blue Square Thing (talk) 18:03, 26 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Blue Square Thing: Hi! Thanks for your kind response. Hmm... I too agree, page name should be like that; "of" instead of "about". Earlier, we've discussed that anthems' info should be on individual team / league articles instead of main (like in '2017 Pakistan Super League' instead of main 'Pakistan Super League', because they might be creating several new anthems each year and page will go long only by mentioning song names. But then I think that all the anthems should be listed together too. Should I move?

As I am saying on most of my edit summaries that (for example) 'Karachi Kings in 2017' article coming soon, similar as 'Karachi Kings in 2016', you are right for moving the info in new page. Shall we (other good users too) start working?

I saw your message on PSL draft 2017, you asked about order of picking players. You also said that it should be arranged in PSL draft 2016 page. I agree that too, but it is hard for me to arrange. I am unable to find any news reference for that, but soon will try as I can. PSL has officially shared 2017 video, but not of 2016. Well, you have put forward a good point, thanks again! M. Billoo 21:08, 26 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Blue Square Thing and Mar4d: Another point I want to raise is teams' colour scheme given in Wiki. Template:Cr-PSL should be updated, showing accurate colour schemes of every team in every year. Like for Lahore Qalandars in 2016 colour was "black base with red stripes", but for 'Lahore Qalandars in 2017', it is "green base with dark bluish stripes" (this is what I understand, it might be any other dark colour). Template should be used as {{Cr-PSL|lhr2016}} for old and {{Cr-PSL|lhr}} for latest. Next year, this one 'might' become {{Cr-PSL|lhr2017}} and new one {{Cr-PSL|lhr}}. This might take a long time to work, but it might help too. Hope I have cleared, sorry for my weak English. M. Billoo 18:39, 27 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I get what you're saying. Though I'm not entirely sure how to do it. Obviously the template will require the addition of a parameter that allows it to display the themes used in a season. As far as I know, Lahore were the only team that changed their kit. It can be done but you may need to ask a template expert to make the necessary changes. Mar4d (talk) 18:56, 27 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Also, some of those colours are done poorly and may need to be refined. In the Karachi and Peshawar colours for example, the lines don't look straight. And Quetta's strip doesn't look gold. Mar4d (talk) 18:57, 27 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Mar4d: You're right, only LQ's color was changed. I earlier had left a message on Template Talk:Cr-PSL but didn't get reply, instead I saw updated version in most of the pages. Also, team IU color should be interchanged. Thanks! M. Billoo 19:04, 27 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

So now we need two people. A template expert and a graphics expert :p Mar4d (talk) 19:05, 27 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Mar4d, Anjana Larka, and Wiki id2: I saw these 2 users' contributions on Template:Cr-PSL, maybe they can help. Also, I edited color on KK and LQ's fan userboxes, if they are correct then I would liketo say that all 5 should be similar. M. Billoo 19:14, 27 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I'm lousy with graphics templates (OK, lousy means bad). I don't particularly use them (or like them if I'm honest) so I might take a look if you guys can't get it sorted.

I think I have sources for the 2016 draft probably - CricInfo has some decent articles that will let us patch things together a little better anyway. In terms of the yearly articles, why don't you start them and I'll weight in at some point and try and rationalise them and deal with any written English stuff. The pages we developed for Kent County Cricket Club in 2016 might also be worth a look in terms of some of the ways in which the game logs themselves have been done. I'm not a fan of the tables on the PSL ones from last year. Blue Square Thing (talk) 19:37, 27 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Message:
Hi Mar4d and Blue Square Thing!

I would like to share that I have removed Redirect from those pages and worked a little on them, actually just by doing copy-and-paste. Please see:

• Peshawar Zalmi in 2017
• Quetta Gladiators in 2017
• Karachi Kings in 2017
• Islamabad United in 2017
• Lahore Qalandars in 2017

Thanks! M. Billoo 23:02, 27 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

		The PSL Barnstar
		Nice work on List of anthems about Pakistan Super League, and updating PSL articles in general. Keep it up! Mar4d (talk) 11:37, 27 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Mar4d: Hi! Thank you very much! In Sha Allah I will try to contribute on PSL articles as best as I can. M. Billoo 17:39, 27 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Mar4d: I want to be a part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Pakistan Super League, how can I join it? M. Billoo 18:05, 27 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Sure. Just list yourself in the members section and off you go :) And if you love freebies, we also offer userboxes :p. Mar4d (talk) 18:10, 27 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Mar4d: How can I display Barnstars on my user page, as you have displayed too? Thanks! M. Billoo 18:36, 6 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It is up to you, you can simply copy+paste it to your userpage or have it in a collapse template like mine. Mar4d (talk) 18:46, 6 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Well deserved. Keep up your good work Bilal. --Saqib (talk) 18:34, 16 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Saqib: Hi! Thank you very very much :D M. Billoo 21:12, 16 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

What are your thoughts on the famous Karachi Kings–Lahore Qalandars rivalry. Apart from the hype that pervades whenever these two sides meet, I have gone through a selection of sources from the two seasons along with the TV ratings. I am convinced that it could become a decent article. Mar4d (talk) 13:23, 6 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Mar4d: Hi! I was too thinking of this... As the both cities; Karachi and Lahore, are also facing some political fights (in development and other things), but the biggest reason I think is the TV rating fight between two media groups; ARY (of Karachi Kings) and Geo (of Lahore Qalandars).

If you are on facebook, you might see many posts that the two cities are fighting; Khi says that it has sea and Lhr says that it has rain (seasonal and weather fights). These are two largest cities of Pakistan, and the strict 'muqabla' between the citizens is due to that which city is better (developed) large (I think :D).

Also, LQ is the second most expensive team after KK, maybe 'it' is due to this jealousy that who proves to be more expensive, hahaha... Or the both teams might be thinking that they would get stronger by having strong player like Gayle, who proved to be best in IPL, and as he has played for both the teams here (maybe the reason of 'rivalry' is his 'sorry work' in PSL).

Sorry for the late reply, as I was busy on something else. Well, I will try to search and collect some more points soon, but one question is that why this wiki-article has been deleted? Earlier I was notified that it was redirected to "Ab Khel Jamay Ga", but was then restored... Thanks! :) M. Billoo 18:31, 6 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, you raise some interesting points. It is my understanding that as both cities dominate the cricket structures in Pakistan, there also tend to be other issues like one city's players supposedly getting 'preferential treatment' over the other. This of course dates back to the Imran Khan-Javed Miandad era. It would be interesting to explore some of these points within the context of the rivalry, with reliable references of course. I will work on this over the next few days. Mar4d (talk) 18:50, 6 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

	The Original Barnstar
	I recognize your excellent work on Beauty and the Beast (2017 film). Bearian (talk) 02:40, 2 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]