Wikipedia talk:Search engine test: Difference between revisions

68.154.104.124 wrote: 

First off I would like to know the purpose of this web page. It seems a little foolish that anyone can type anything that they want to see here! You know what that can lead to...don't you???

Indeed we do. But useful contributions outweigh vandalism by 50:1, so it's worth it. -- Karada 22:54, 1 Aug 2003 (UTC)

discussion of this, like any other page should be open. Waveguy

See wikipedia:replies to common objections

I added Alexa - thinking in terms of a general "external utilities" page. Martin 11:33, 1 Sep 2003 (UTC)

After retrieving the results from Alexa, how does one analyse how that subject has performed on Alexa? --Daniel C. Boyer 14:42, 8 Sep 2003 (UTC)

I like the Alexa part, but not in the "fails the Alexa test" way. The Google test is enough imo. BL 18:00, 22 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Alexa is a useful utility for determining the popularity of a website, but I don't think that popularity is a criterion that we should use in deciding whether or not to have an article on something. Articles are built up from verifiable information. Therefore, the decision on whether or not to have an article on a subject should be based on the amount of verifiable information there is about that subject. If a website is popular but nobody writes about it, we probably shouldn't have an article on it, because there are no independent sources to draw on for information. Conversely, if a site is unpopular but a lot is written about it, of course we should have an article on it. I expect there must be a high correlation between the popularity of a website and the amount of verifiable information on it, but that's just a statistical generality. An Alexa ranking does not in itself tell us a thing about the amount of writing about a website in individual cases. So I don't think we should use it. The Google test will give a much better indication of the amount of verifiable information, because it is itself a search for information. So I don't think we should use the Alexa test as a substitute. (Or, in summary: I agree with BL.) -- Oliver P. 03:58, 23 Sep 2003 (UTC)

BuddhaInside keeps adding "a quick check that an individual fact, within an accepted subject, passes the criteria of requiring 1000 google hits to avoid deletion."

This is not true and should not be added to the page or people will start deleting every fact that does get 1000 hits. Angela 05:44, Sep 23, 2003 (UTC)

Did you miss the discussion at Talk:List of nicknames for George W. Bush? That is exactly what Cyan is now doing. -BuddhaInside

Having a more stringent rule on a controversial page is different from adding the rule here and trying to apply it to everything. If no-one is objecting on that page, then Cyan can do that, but I am objecting to it being applied more widely than that. Angela 05:52, Sep 23, 2003 (UTC)

If should be enforced across all pages equally, or not at all. -BuddhaInside

Not if there is a consensus (my definition, not yours) on one particular page to adhere to the rule. There are lots of rules that do not apply to all articles. Angela

As one who edits here without looking behind the curtain too often, perhaps someone could elucidate the origin of these tests. Who first suggested the Google test? (I'm simply trying to better understand the nature of the wiki and how these practices evolve, not questioning the practice itself.) On a related topic, why is this article on the Wikipedia rather than the meta? (I still don't fully understand the relationship, sorry!) -- A Profoundly Perplexed Paige

I can't answer the first part, but it's on Wikipedia rather than Meta because it relates directly to editing as it's sort of a tool for checking whether a page should exist. My personal understanding of it is that pages that are for editing are here whereas pages that are about editing are on Meta. Someone else could probably explain that better though. Angela 22:12, 25 Sep 2003 (UTC)

belatedly moved from VfD (sorry, Fridge):

• Wikipedia - relatively minor website, fails Wikipedia:Alexa test. Fridge 20:24, 25 Sep 2003 (UTC)
  • NB. Meant to be a comment about Alexa Test not Wikipedia! Fridge 20:25, 25 Sep 2003 (UTC)
  • Firstly, Wikipedia passes the Alexa test easily. Secondly, the article is about the project Wikipedia, not the website Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not just a website. Angela 20:41, 25 Sep 2003 (UTC)
    • Wikipedia:Alexa test says things about sites being in the top 100 and sites in the top 1000 (and also top 100,000). Wikipedia is not in top 1,000 (though might soon). OK Wikipedia is not just a site... but then most websites are not just sites: they are companies and people and projects :just like wikipedia is a project. Anyhow I wanted to say that some sites higher in Alexa wouldn't be in Wikipedia (like porn sites) but others lower than Wikipedia might be so Alexa is not a good test. Fridge 20:47, 25 Sep 2003 (UTC)
  • If you want to discuss the policy - go to the talk page of that policy. Trying to prove a point by listing things here really isn't a good idea. Angela 20:52, 25 Sep 2003 (UTC)

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Please note, the policy says:

• we should have articles on important websites, important being defined as Alexa-ranked higher than some threshold (100 or 1,000)
• we should not have articles on unimportant websites, unimportant being defined as Alexa-ranked lower than 100,000
• nothing at all about articles in the fuzzy zone between important and unimportant

-- Cyan 00:56, 26 Sep 2003 (UTC)