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== Indentation in talk page discussions ==

Hi Will. I'd like to suggest that you take a look or refresher at [[WP:THREAD]]. There's a couple of edits now ({{diff2|1163255624}}, {{diff2|1163255797}}) where I've had to repair the indentation level and placement of your replies. If you find this difficult, you may wish to use the [[WP:REPLYTOOL|new reply tool]], which will automatically indent your replies based on the specific message you're replying to. [[User:Sideswipe9th|Sideswipe9th]] ([[User talk:Sideswipe9th|talk]]) 20:54, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

:{{ping|Sideswipe9th}} Okay, thank you. [[User:Willbb234|Willbb234]] 20:55, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

==Malicious==

You are, of course, free to have the content you want at your own talkpage. I don't hide that [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=1164351798&oldid=1164348807&title=User_talk%3AWillbb234 I left angry messages]; there were no insults or attacks, just an angry demand for answers to incredibly poor or malicious edits you made. As I said, I changed the message because I hoped being clearer would make you realise you were wrong and stop you from digging yourself deeper by continuing to revert. I request that you do not refactor my comments (this is unacceptable, even on your own talkpage), but if you want to remove them, at least leave alone the message I left for the admin (re-added below). [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 22:40, 8 July 2023 (UTC) And yes, for someone talking about "true colours" it's ''very'' clear that you are maliciously changing my messages so that you can avoid accountability. At least answer, then, what the fuck did you think you were doing? [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 22:41, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

:Also pinging {{re|Ritchie333}} since you just unblocked this guy and the behaviour is either malicious (my initial assumption, [[WP:AGF|unfortunately]], based on his experience) or dangerously incompetent. Specifically, he broke [[WP:1RR]] at two locations. [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 22:40, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

::Are we reading the same comments? [[User:Willbb234|Willbb234]] 22:42, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

:::Do you have a good reason for poorly attempting to remove GA status without reason and break your 1RR ban? [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 22:44, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

::::Firstly, I didn't break my 1RR ban. Secondly, I was the reviewer for the article. [[User:Willbb234|Willbb234]] 22:48, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

:::::Yes, you did. You made more than one direct revert, and in two locations. Unless I'm mistaken, you have to at least show willing to discuss before making another revert even over 24 hours later. No, you weren't; maybe you were the first time, but you weren't the second. And as [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AWillbb234&diff=1164347848&oldid=1164345921 I explained], when I realised you may simply be ignorant to the GAN process rather than being an egotist or malicious, the most recent review is the only one needed. As I also said, you'd be wise to simply plead your ignorance even though this seems obvious (I've had a lot of birthdays, but I take my age from the most recent) and avoid GAN.

:::::And yes (since you've answered, I will), we're reading the same comments. Maybe you find demanding accountability, or questioning your motives to be attacks. I don't, because, simply, the main defining point in whether something is an attack is the motive - is someone trying to hurt you more than anything else - which is often clear, and I clearly wasn't. Impolite, but not uncivil; as I said, since you've been at GA for years I wondered how the basic principles could elude you and assumed bad faith. [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 23:09, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

::::::What on earth are you going on about? You basically have found a really long way of saying nothing at all. Go and read the unblock proposal and stop making up the rules yourself. [[User:Willbb234|Willbb234]] 23:12, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

:::::::Just when I thought we were communicating, the attempted misdirection makes a return. You have basically found a really quick - but unfortunately more obvious - way of trying to shirk responsibility.

:::::::If anyone needs to stop making up rules, it's the guy who thinks he gets to decide he doesn't like other people passing GANs. I'll assume that's got through by now, hopefully, so I think we're done here. [[User:Kingsif|Kingsif]] ([[User talk:Kingsif|talk]]) 23:26, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

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== Criticism ==

Will, I know it's difficult to take on criticism. I've had a hard time, at times, doing the same. You felt disrespected when you found this article was reviewed and made a GA despite your assessment at the time you reviewed it. Add to it the uncivil remarks made towards you here and I can understand and sympathize with your filing the case. I do believe that they should receive a stern warning from an admin for their comments. However, in regards to the issue that brought all of this about, multiple editors did not simply disagree with you, the consensus was against you and if I've learned anything from editing over the past few years it's that consensus is the law here. We don't have to agree with the outcome, and there are review processes even for that, but we have to respect the rule of the community and any attempt to circumvent that, whether by way of a good faith misunderstanding or blatant bad faith, is disruptive and even good faith editors can be sanctioned for disruptive editing. Its never a good idea to edit war even if you feel you were justified to make the intitial revert. The edit warring, which I will admit was not a direct violation of your 1RR restriction as erroneously thought, is just giving admin's a reason to pass along serious sanctions. If you are a good faith editor and I have to believe you are due to my own principles beyond that required by policy, then I implore you to please respond to Tamzin's comment that you understand the issues and where you erred personally in this situation. --[[User:ARoseWolf|<span style="color:#b76e79">'''A'''</span><span style="color:#be4f60">'''Rose'''</span>]][[User talk:ARoseWolf|<span style="color:#b87333">'''Wolf'''</span>]] 18:46, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

:Thank you for your comments and sympathisation. My behaviour was poor and I would have rather let everyone forget the ordeal, but I don't like the idea of someone getting away so easily with personal attacks. It just doesn't sit right. [[User:Willbb234|Willbb234]] 19:18, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

:: Thank you for responding. I would like to point to my last comment before the close which I intended to amend (sometimes I get twisted in my words because English is not my first language). The process is consensus. The subsequent talk page discussion you linked to was further consensus and the discussion at AN/I verified that community consensus in this case. I do not like seeing good faith editors get sanctioned, even though I understand why it must be, so I'm glad the result was something different which is my only goal through these discussions. I had hoped you would respond the way you did as I hope Kingsif takes on the criticism of their initial comments directed at you as pointed out by @Snowrise and in the close by @Tamzin. I also hope they respond in kind and express their agreeance that their actions were incorrect and further such activity will not be tolerated by the community. I am not an admin and never do I want to be one. It's a difficult position to have and I respect those who attain it. I am, however, a firm believer in this community and this collaborative project and though even my intentions can be misplaced at times my hope is that I receive the same consideration that you have in this case and someone takes the time to point this out to me as I have with you. Fortunately that has been the case so far and I have grown from it. --[[User:ARoseWolf|<span style="color:#b76e79">'''A'''</span><span style="color:#be4f60">'''Rose'''</span>]][[User talk:ARoseWolf|<span style="color:#b87333">'''Wolf'''</span>]] 19:54, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

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== [[Christianization]] ==

Hello! If you want to be done with me and this article, please do say so and I will go away and try to work through this without you.

I rewrote the lead, and I am not feeling confident that it's an improvement. Religion Wiki has an article titled Christianization, and this is its lead paragraph: {{tqq|The historical phenomenon of Christianization, (or Christianisation — see spelling differences) the conversion of individuals to Christianity or the conversion of entire peoples at once, also includes the practice of converting native pagan practices and culture, pagan religious imagery, pagan sites and the pagan calendar to Christian uses, due to the Christian efforts at proselytism (evangelism) based on the tradition of the "Great Commission". The process of Christianization has at times been relatively peaceful and at times has been a very violent process, ranging from political conversions to adopt Christianity to military campaigns to force conversion onto native populaces.}}

Is that better? It seems very similar, however, while rewriting the lead, (before I read Religion Wiki's intro.) it occurred to me that part of the problem with this article is that it lacks focus. It's too broad. If it's a parent article, then I am thinking it should have three short sections covering each of the three types of Christianization with links to other more specific articles such as [[Christianization of the Roman Empire]] (and other countries), and [[Conversion to Christianity]]. I don't think there is an article that is specifically about the Christianization of places and practices and so on, so one alternative to making this a parent article is to make it specifically about that one aspect of Christianization. Or perhaps a parent article and a sub-article are both needed. I am unsure which direction to take, so I am hoping you will have some insight. [[User:Jenhawk777|Jenhawk777]] ([[User talk:Jenhawk777|talk]]) 18:10, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

:{{ping|Jenhawk777}} Hi, and thanks for your message. Would you be able to bear with me for a few days? I have something important next Tuesday and I need to prepare for this, so I won't be editing for a few days. I'll take a look afterwards, if that's alright? [[User:Willbb234|Willbb234]] 12:36, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

:: I understand perfectly, RL sometimes interferes with our online life, doesn't it? {{smiley}} I am happy to wait, but the truth is, I have already begun a rewrite in my sandbox. I am treating it as a parent article, dividing it into three main sections on Christianization of individuals, sites and nations. I have completely deleted the entire content on 'stages' so there can be no disagreement or problem over any of it. I have removed acculteration as well since you said it was confusing. I am gathering new sources for the new material I am adding, being very extremely careful with those, rearranging most of it, and hopefully better focusing the entire article. It won't be ready for a little while yet, so there is no hurry and nothing for you to worry about for even a second. Take all the time you need. I will be grateful when you are able to take another look at what hopefully will be a whole new article - a better one. Thank you for taking the time to answer even though you are busy! [[User:Jenhawk777|Jenhawk777]] ([[User talk:Jenhawk777|talk]]) 21:15, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

::: The article has now been redone. I hope it measures up now. [[User:Jenhawk777|Jenhawk777]] ([[User talk:Jenhawk777|talk]]) 14:59, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

::::{{ping|Jenhawk777}} okay, thanks for letting me know. I'll take a look soon and leave some comments. [[User:Willbb234|Willbb234]] 16:26, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

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== Armenian genocide recognition ==

You keep removing sourced content, rather than trying to find reasonable alternatives. You started a discussion on my talk page, and have neglected to respond to alternative suggestions. Blanket deletion of topic specific material backed by [[WP:RS]] is not helpful. As for the talk page discussion on [[Armenian genocide recognition]], no final consensus was ever reached and the conversation is on-going. [[User:Archives908|Archives908]] ([[User talk:Archives908|talk]]) 23:00, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

:{{ping|Archives908}} [[WP:ONUS]] is clear that it's on you to find consensus to include such material. While conversations are going on, as you claim they supposedly still are, then the disputed content should be left out of the article until consensus is found to place it back in. Stop trying to shift this responsibility on to me. BRD is neither policy nor a legitimate rationale for reverting my edits. [[User:Willbb234|Willbb234]] 13:36, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

::I'm waiting for others to reply. Do you even know what's going on? For the record, none of the sourced content is disputed. What the conversation centers around is formatting and duplication, something I have been trying to improve on that article for years. [[User:Archives908|Archives908]] ([[User talk:Archives908|talk]]) 14:32, 15 August 2023 (UTC)

== Your [[WP:Good articles|GA]] nomination of [[2018 Chicago Marathon]] ==

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Do you really think [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Willbb234&diff=prev&oldid=1174318760 this] is a good decision given the recent [[Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Did_I_do_the_right_thing_here?|ANI thread]] that you participated in? Surely you saw the numerous editors who expressed that that userbox is [[WP:POLEMIC]]. ––[[User:FormalDude|<span style="color:#0645ad">Formal</span><span style="color:black">Dude</span>]] [[User talk:FormalDude|<span style="font-size:95%">(talk)</span>]] 16:24, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

:I disagree with how others users approach this issue. I'm also not disrupting the encyclopedia so I don't see the problem. [[User:Willbb234|Willbb234]] 19:54, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

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:::It's not offensive. [[User:Willbb234|Willbb234]] 09:42, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

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[[File:Ambox warning pn.svg|30px|link=]] You currently appear to be engaged in an [[WP:Edit warring|edit war]]&#32; according to the reverts you have made on [[:Native Americans in the United States]]. This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree. Users are expected to [[Wikipedia:Consensus#In talk pages|collaborate]] with others, to avoid editing [[WP:Disruptive editing|disruptively]], and to [[WP:Consensus|try to reach a consensus]], rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

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Look on the talk page. [[User:Willbb234|Willbb234]] 19:37, 11 September 2023 (UTC)}}

:I did. And others have warned you about edit-warring and [[WP:INCIVILITY]]. I am starting a log here for the record. - [[User:CorbieVreccan|<span style="color: #660099;"><strong>CorbieVreccan</strong></span>]] ^{[[User_talk:CorbieVreccan|☊]]} [[WP:SPIDER|☼]] 19:53, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

::Discussions on the talk page don't constitute an edit war. [[User:Willbb234|Willbb234]] 20:24, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

:::No one said they did. Read the warning again. It's not the number of reverts you've done, it's that you're displaying incivility, a [[WP:BATTLE|battleground]] attitude, and you seem to be trying to wear people down on the talk page, cursing at them and either not understanding or misrepresenting [[WP:CONSENSUS|what constitutes consensus]]. You've had a handful of people bring it up to you now. - [[User:CorbieVreccan|<span style="color: #660099;"><strong>CorbieVreccan</strong></span>]] ^{[[User_talk:CorbieVreccan|☊]]} [[WP:SPIDER|☼]] 21:21, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

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Please note that we only include domestic league games in the infobox - so no Cup or Continental matches etc. Please also ensure that when you update the stats you also update the date, using <nowiki>~~~~~</nowiki>. If you have any questions please ask. [[User:GiantSnowman|Giant]][[User talk:GiantSnowman|Snowman]] 10:36, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

:{{ping|GiantSnowman}} thanks for the reminder. I was going off the statistics at the Stenhousemuir FC website which I assumed was just for league games. I'll take more care in the future. [[User:Willbb234|Willbb234]] 21:29, 17 September 2023 (UTC)

::I tend to use Soccerbase/Soccerway for stats. [[User:GiantSnowman|Giant]][[User talk:GiantSnowman|Snowman]] 19:43, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

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Hello. I will look at them this week. [[User:Eurohunter|Eurohunter]] ([[User talk:Eurohunter|talk]]) 14:49, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

: It's delayed. I had no time to check it. [[User:Eurohunter|Eurohunter]] ([[User talk:Eurohunter|talk]]) 16:46, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

== October 2023 ==

[[File:Information orange.svg|25px|alt=Information icon]] Please do not remove content or templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did at [[:Transgender]], without giving a valid reason for the removal in the [[Help:Edit summary|edit summary]]. Your content removal does not appear to be constructive and has been [[Help:Reverting|reverted]]. If you only meant to make a test edit, please use [[User:Willbb234/sandbox|your sandbox]] for that. Thank you.<!-- Template:uw-delete2 --> [[User:DanielRigal|DanielRigal]] ([[User talk:DanielRigal|talk]]) 13:09, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

[[File:Information.svg|25px|alt=Information icon]] Hello and [[Help:Getting started|welcome to Wikipedia]]. Constructive contributions to [[Wikipedia:About|Wikipedia]] are appreciated, but [[Special:Contributions/Willbb234|a recent edit]] of yours to the page [[:Transgender]] has an [[Help:Edit summary|edit summary]] that appears to be inadequate, inaccurate, or inappropriate. The summaries are helpful to people browsing an [[Help:Page history|article's history]], so it is important that you use edit summaries that accurately tell other editors what you did. Feel free to use [[Wikipedia:Sandbox|the sandbox]] to make test edits. Thank you.<!-- Template:uw-wrongsummary --> [[User:DanielRigal|DanielRigal]] ([[User talk:DanielRigal|talk]]) 13:10, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

:{{ping|DanielRigal}} why do you keep re-adding the unsourced content? Provide a reasonable explanation, preferably without using all caps. [[User:Willbb234|Willbb234]] 18:00, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

::You have twice referred to sourced content as "unsourced". You have twice referred to my reverting your content removal as "adding content" when I am adding nothing and merely restoring the status quo. I am not sure why you are doing this, and I am not sure what I can say to help you understand what these terms actually mean. Rather than get into an edit war, why don't you make a proposal to remove the content on the Talk page and see if anybody else agrees with you? [[User:DanielRigal|DanielRigal]] ([[User talk:DanielRigal|talk]]) 18:10, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

:::{{ping|DanielRigal}} na, [[WP:ONUS]]. [[User:Willbb234|Willbb234]] 18:37, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

::::You were removing content. The onus is on you to justify the change you are making. Removing sourced content and calling it "unsourced" is either a bizarre misunderstanding or something worse. Please either [[WP:STICK|drop it]] or take it to the Talk page if you believe that you have a genuine reason to remove the content. If you are right, and it is just me being wrong, then you will find that other people will agree with you and I will accept that consensus. [[User:DanielRigal|DanielRigal]] ([[User talk:DanielRigal|talk]]) 18:41, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

:::::{{ping|DanielRigal}} the only bizarre misunderstanding here is how you've read [[WP:ONUS]]. [[User:Willbb234|Willbb234]] 18:48, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

:::::@[[User:DanielRigal|DanielRigal]], FWIW, the onus is on the person who wants to include the information, even if it's currently included, and the fact that info is sourced at a linked article isn't enough. If someone objects to unsourced content, go bring in the source. [[User:Valereee|Valereee]] ([[User talk:Valereee|talk]]) 21:02, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

[[File:Ambox warning pn.svg|30px|link=]] You currently appear to be engaged in an [[WP:Edit warring|edit war]]&#32; according to the reverts you have made on [[:Transgender]]. This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree. Users are expected to [[Wikipedia:Consensus#In talk pages|collaborate]] with others, to avoid editing [[WP:Disruptive editing|disruptively]], and to [[WP:Consensus|try to reach a consensus]], rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

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== Deletion from My Lai article. ==

I undid your deletion. The soldiers actually committed a sexual assault, not even attempted, by trying to rip her blouse off.[[User:JohnKent|JohnKent]] ([[User talk:JohnKent|talk]]) 00:19, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

:{{ping|JohnKent}} I read the source in the caption and couldn't see any mention of this sexual assault. Please provide a reference for this. [[User:Willbb234|Willbb234]] 10:35, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

::Here's the quote from the cited reference. "In one incident, a group of 7-12 women and children were herded together, and members of the 3d Platoon attempted to rip the blouse off a Vietnamese girl. They halted their attempts after observing that the PI0 photographer was near their location and had taken a picture of the scene (see exhibit P-40). The women and children were then killed." I will improved the citation so it points to the exact page.[[User:JohnKent|JohnKent]] ([[User talk:JohnKent|talk]]) 15:55, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

::Thank you for helping to improve the article.[[User:JohnKent|JohnKent]] ([[User talk:JohnKent|talk]]) 16:03, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

:::{{ping|JohnKent}} my exact point - the source doesn't actually say a sexual assault occurred. Unless you're trying to infer that the action of ripping her blouse of was a sexual assault, but that's not how Wikipedia works. We also don't know a motive - perhaps they were searching for weapons. This isn't for us to decide. [[User:Willbb234|Willbb234]] 16:46, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

::::https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_assault "Sexual assault takes many forms including attacks such as rape or attempted rape, as well as any unwanted sexual contact or threats. Usually a sexual assault occurs when someone touches any part of another person's body in a sexual way, even through clothes, without that person's consent."[[User:JohnKent|JohnKent]] ([[User talk:JohnKent|talk]]) 17:17, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

:::::{{ping|JohnKent}} "unwanted '''sexual''' contact or threats" "touches any part of another person's body in a '''sexual way'''". This is not indicated in the source, so we cannot say that it is sexual assault. [[User:Willbb234|Willbb234]] 17:58, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

::::::"members of the 3d Platoon attempted to rip the blouse off a Vietnamese girl" - This is absolutely "unwanted sexual contact".[[User:JohnKent|JohnKent]] ([[User talk:JohnKent|talk]]) 18:22, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

:::::::{{ping|JohnKent}} okay, seeing as this isn't getting anywhere, you will need to find consensus to include this. Per [[WP:ONUS]], it is on you to find this consensus. Thanks, [[User:Willbb234|Willbb234]] 18:27, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

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:{{ping|Bbb23}} you're not going to give me a chance to defend myself? [[User:Willbb234|Willbb234]] 13:49, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

:I'm honestly astounded at this block. Please review the edits. You spent all of four minutes looking at the case and came to a conclusion. I really can't believe that this is a valid block. [[User:Willbb234|Willbb234]] 13:57, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

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{{unblock reviewed| reason=Hello. I believe a mistake was made when I was blocked for edit warring at [[Transgender]]. Please let me explain. I initally made [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Transgender&diff=1178319915&oldid=1176474353 some edits] which removed unsourced content, content that was being discussed at another page and changed some wording to more accurately reflect a source. This was reverted because apparently it was referenced "in the linked articles" which of course is not allowed on Wikipedia so I reverted the edit. Sources are needed on ''this'' article to verify the claim. I was told that "The onus is on you to justify the change you are making." In other words, that I have to find consensus to removed unsourced content from an article, which is the opposite of what is said at [[WP:ONUS]]. I decided that it wasn't worth my time to continue arguing against this. Anyway, I then [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Transgender&diff=1178882287&oldid=1178404582 replaced the wording] which I believe was mistakenly caught up in the other reverts made to my edits, which is an entirely valid edit to make. This was then [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Transgender&diff=next&oldid=1178882287 reverted] because it apparently "does not reflect the cited RS" and "minimises the actuality of discrimination". I then [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Transgender&diff=next&oldid=1178884984 reverted] this as I was frankly baffled at the reasoning in the edit summary. In hindsight, I should have brought this to the talk page, but I still don't believe that this was a particularly disruptive edit. I was then [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Transgender&diff=next&oldid=1178885725 reverted again] because apparently "reported can express some degree of scepticism over what is being said". Again, I decided this wasn't worth arguing over. I then made a [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Transgender&diff=next&oldid=1178886074 entirely reasonable edit] based on an RS. As nobody was ever arrested in connection with the murder, we can't determine whether this was "an anti-transgender hate crime". I was then [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Transgender&diff=next&oldid=1178892666 reverted] because apparently my edit was "non-constructive" and taken to the edit warring noticeboard and the evidence provided there didn't even show a pattern of edit warring on the page and yet I was promptly blocked with no answer as to why this was. In summary, I made attempts to discuss edits on my talk page, didn't revert when I realised that it would be disruptive, and made reasonable edits backed by reliable sources and yet I was blocked for edit warring. [[User:Willbb234|Willbb234]] 15:48, 7 October 2023 (UTC)|decline=Thinking that your edits are correct is not a defense to edit warring, as everyone in an edit war thinks that they are correct. I am not convinced that you understand what was wrong with this situation, so I am declining your request. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 19:46, 7 October 2023 (UTC)}}

:Willbb, FWIW, it doesn't actually matter whether the edits were reasonable, valid, or correct or even whether the onus is on the other person. When other editors -- especially multiple other editors -- are objecting to edits you keep trying to make, yes, you should go to the talk page. I'd really recommend it on the first revert when it's a contentious topic. [[User:Valereee|Valereee]] ([[User talk:Valereee|talk]]) 16:31, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

::{{ping|Valereee}} well I think it's still relevant as to whether the objections are reasonable or not. [[User:Willbb234|Willbb234]]

:::It's relevant to a discussion of content at the talk page. It's not relevant to the question of edit-warring. You were blocked for edit-warring, not for making edits you thought were reasonable. An unblock request needs to address the reason for the block. [[User:Valereee|Valereee]] ([[User talk:Valereee|talk]]) 17:20, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

::::{{ping|Valereee}} No, removing unsourced content multiple times is not edit warring as the reason for adding the material back in clearly goes against one of our principles. There's a difference between edit warring over a poor objection and edit warring over an objection which is clearly against Wikipedia rules. And also an unblock request can be made if one believes a mistake was made in the inital block, which in this case there was. [[User:Willbb234|Willbb234]] 17:34, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

:::::You do not understand policy. That was clear immediately after the report at [[WP:AN3]] was filed and you posted a nonsensical comment about edit-warring. Reverts are reverts and are only exempt from counting towards edit-warring if they fall within the exceptions noted at [[WP:3RRNO]], which yours do not. Worse, they were borderline transphobic. I was tempted to block you for longer than one week because of that.--[[User:Bbb23|Bbb23]] ([[User talk:Bbb23|talk]]) 17:40, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

::::::Transphobic? What the fuck are you on about? You also only spent four minutes before deciding to block me so you clearly didn't adequately assess the situation. Again, this was a clear mistake and I think you need to reconsider how you approach editing here. [[User:Willbb234|Willbb234]] 17:45, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

:::::::You've now made this silly claim twice on this page. I blocked you '''7 hours''' after the report at AN3 was filed.--[[User:Bbb23|Bbb23]] ([[User talk:Bbb23|talk]]) 17:47, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

::::::::You blocked me four minutes after your previous edit. If you had spent any more time, you wouldn't have made such a mistake. It's not a silly claim. [[User:Willbb234|Willbb234]] 17:57, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

:::::::::You are not doing yourself any favors by your comments here. I suggest you wait for an administrator to review your unblock request. Any more disruptive comments will probably result in revocation of your access to this page.--[[User:Bbb23|Bbb23]] ([[User talk:Bbb23|talk]]) 18:01, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

:::::Willbb, I agree with Bbb that you are misinterpreting policy. And just because they made an edit four minutes before blocking doesn't mean they hadn't been investigating only in that four minutes. People multitask. I'm going to ask you to assume two things:

:::::# the timing of the block isn't reason to assume bad faith

:::::# the content dispute is irrelevant except in very limited situations, which this is not

:::::Bbb is also correct that you could end up without talk page access if you keep arguing these two things. The point of unblock requests is to show that you understand the reason for the block and agree to comply. Just leave everything else out of it, it's not helping you. [[User:Valereee|Valereee]] ([[User talk:Valereee|talk]]) 18:08, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

::::::{{ping|Valereee}} Okay, but what is the correct course of action when someone is for example continually adding unsourced content to an article and I'm not allowed to remove it as it would constitute an edit war? Going to the talk page to gain consensus would take too long and it's clearly something than can't stay on the article for any length of time. [[User:Willbb234|Willbb234]] 18:53, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

:::::::So, Willbb, there is no such thing as {{xt|take too long}} except in very limited situations. Incorrect content is not an emergency unless it, for instance, libels or violates the right to privacy of a living person or is otherwise grossly offensive, a few other things. One of the things you can suggest at a talk section is, "I'd like to remove this until someone comes in with a source that supports it", and if no one objects, remove the content. If someone does object, have a conversation. As you say, the onus is on them to bring in the sources, and yeah, sources in linked articles isn't enough, those sources needs to be added to ''this'' article. But still not an emergency, and still should be at minimum brought to talk to explain why you're removing content against apparent consensus. [[User:Valereee|Valereee]] ([[User talk:Valereee|talk]]) 19:20, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

::::::::Just for the record, and because I'm lazy, what exactly is the content you felt was {{xt|clearly something than can't stay on the article for any length of time}}? [[User:Valereee|Valereee]] ([[User talk:Valereee|talk]]) 19:24, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

:::::::::Okay thank you. [[User:Willbb234|Willbb234]] 19:30, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

{{u|Valereee}} can I have access to my sandboxes? [[User:Willbb234|Willbb234]] 14:08, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

:That's not an answer to Valereee's question. As for your request, you ''have'' "access" to your sandboxes.--[[User:Bbb23|Bbb23]] ([[User talk:Bbb23|talk]]) 14:38, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

:{{u|Bbb23}} can I edit my sandboxes? [[User:Willbb234|Willbb234]] 14:40, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

::Of course not. You can't edit anything while you're blocked, and you know that, so why do you bother us with ridiculous questions?--[[User:Bbb23|Bbb23]] ([[User talk:Bbb23|talk]]) 14:45, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

:::Because I would like to edit my sandbox and I can't imagine someone would revert edits I make to my own sandbox. Sorry that I am 'bothering' you. [[User:Willbb234|Willbb234]] 14:48, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

{{u|Bbb23}} I take that as a no then? [[User:Willbb234|Willbb234]] 17:15, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

:Willbb, access while fully blocked is limited to your talk page, and is only to be used even here for discussing your unblock. You shouldn't be editing anywhere else or about anything else. I'm not actually even sure it's possible to change a block to allow editing of your user pages, but even if it were, that's not what you should be focussing on. [[User:Valereee|Valereee]] ([[User talk:Valereee|talk]]) 17:47, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

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== December 2023 ==

[[File:Information orange.svg|25px|alt=Information icon]] Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at [[:Joseph James DeAngelo]]. Your edits appear to be [[Wikipedia:Disruptive editing|disruptive]] and have been or will be [[Help:Reverting|reverted]].

* If you are engaged in an article [[Wikipedia:Editing policy|content dispute]] with another editor, please discuss the matter with the editor at their talk page, or the [[:Talk:Joseph James DeAngelo|article's talk page]], and seek [[Wikipedia:Consensus|consensus]] with them. Alternatively, you can read Wikipedia's [[Wikipedia:Dispute resolution|dispute resolution]] page, and ask for independent help at one of the [[Wikipedia:Dispute resolution requests|relevant noticeboards]].

* If you are engaged in any other form of dispute that is not covered on the dispute resolution page, please seek assistance at Wikipedia's [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents|Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents]].

Please ensure you are familiar with Wikipedia's [[Wikipedia:List of policies|policies and guidelines]], and please do not continue to make edits that appear disruptive. Continued disruptive editing may result in [[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|loss of editing privileges]]. do not remove edits by veteran users<!-- Template:uw-disruptive2 --> [[User:Fruitloop11|Fruitloop11]] ([[User talk:Fruitloop11|talk]]) 03:14, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

[[File:Stop hand nuvola.svg|30px|left|alt=Stop icon]] Your recent editing history at [[:Joseph James DeAngelo]] shows that you are currently engaged in an [[Wikipedia:Edit warring|edit war]]; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the [[Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines|talk page]] to work toward making a version that represents [[Wikipedia:Consensus|consensus]] among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war; read about [[WP:EPTALK|how this is done]]. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant [[Wikipedia:Noticeboards|noticeboard]] or seek [[Wikipedia:Dispute resolution|dispute resolution]]. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary [[Wikipedia:Protection policy|page protection]].

'''Being involved in an edit war can result in you being [[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked from editing]]'''&mdash;especially if you violate the [[Wikipedia:Edit warring#The three-revert rule|three-revert rule]], which states that an editor must not perform more than three [[Help:Reverting|reverts]] on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring&mdash;'''even if you do not violate the three-revert rule'''&mdash;should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.<!-- Template:uw-3rr --> <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Fruitloop11|Fruitloop11]] ([[User talk:Fruitloop11#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Fruitloop11|contribs]]) 19:33, 29 December 2023 (UTC)</small>

<div class="user-block uw-block" style="padding: 5px; margin-bottom: 0.5em; border: 1px solid #a9a9a9; background-color: #ffefd5; min-height: 40px">[[File:Stop x nuvola with clock.svg|40px|left|alt=Stop icon with clock]]<div style="margin-left:45px">You have been '''[[WP:Blocking policy|blocked]]''' from editing for a period of '''2 weeks''' for making [[Wikipedia:No personal attacks|personal attacks towards other editors]]. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to [[WP:Five pillars|make useful contributions]]. </div><div style="margin-left:45px">If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please review Wikipedia's [[WP:Guide to appealing blocks|guide to appealing blocks]], then add the following text to the bottom of your talk page: <!-- Copy the text as it appears on your page, not as it appears in this edit area. --><code><nowiki>{{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}</nowiki></code>. &nbsp;[[User:Bbb23|Bbb23]] ([[User talk:Bbb23|talk]]) 02:42, 30 December 2023 (UTC)</div></div>

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:{{ping|Bbb23}} re-read [[WP:NPA]]. It was a joke. It was not a personal attack. [[User:Willbb234|Willbb234]] 03:34, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

::Sexual harassment is not a joke. Please tell me you understand that, and this won't continue when the two weeks are up. – [[User talk:Bradv|<span style="color:#333">'''brad''v'''''</span>]] 03:43, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

:::You think this is sexual harassment? Like I expected fruitloop to reach through the screen and start sucking on my nob? Stop taking stuff so literally. [[User:Willbb234|Willbb234]] 03:47, 30 December 2023 (UTC)

<div class="user-block uw-block" style="padding: 5px; margin-bottom: 0.5em; border: 1px solid #a9a9a9; background-color: #ffefd5; min-height: 40px">[[File:Stop x nuvola.svg|40px|left|alt=Stop icon]]<div style="margin-left:45px">You have been '''[[WP:Blocking policy|blocked]]''' '''[[Wikipedia:Blocking_policy#Indefinite_blocks|indefinitely]]''' from editing for [[WP:Disruptive editing|abuse of editing privileges]]. </div><div style="margin-left:45px">If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please review Wikipedia's [[WP:Guide to appealing blocks|guide to appealing blocks]], then add the following text to the bottom of your talk page: <!-- Copy the text as it appears on your page, not as it appears in this edit area. --><code><nowiki>{{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}</nowiki></code>. &nbsp;– [[User talk:Bradv|<span style="color:#333">'''brad''v'''''</span>]] 03:48, 30 December 2023 (UTC)</div></div><!-- Template:uw-block -->