File talk:Training session at SG.jpeg

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of a fair use image as a replaceable image. Please do not modify it.

The result was to delete the image. Textbook violation of WP:NFCC#1. — ξxplicit 00:06, 15 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This image is used in the Schola Gladiatoria (SG) article. It is important to enhance the article with some illustrations.

At the moment there aren't available freely licensed images covering SG. This particular image has been published in 2007 by a blog writer, detailing her training experience at SG.

It is really hard to image what commercial rights can be infringed by publishing this image on Wikipedia, while a specific and detailed reference to the image's creator, location etc is included in the description section.

Also I have checked Wikimedia Commons pages (Category:Historical European martial arts), but they contain mainly images from historical fencing manuals, and several photos of different SCA events. It is important to know that SCA (Society for Creative Anachronism, basically an attempt to recreate the "Medieval feeling", with colorful costumes, ritualistic combat etc) doesn't equal HEMA (Historical European martial arts, which is an attempt to study actual fighting techniques from historical manuals, and practice those techniques with modern fencing protecting equipment and historically accurate weapon replicas).

So an illustration from a reliable source which shows that the training at SG is carried out with historically accurate replicas, in modern day training clothing, not in SCA outfit, provides some additional information to the potential readers. Ulrich von Lichtenstein (talk) 16:34, 12 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]


After writing the above I have checked Non free content criteria. In my opinion all 10 of the following criteria are met.

  • 1. There is no free equivalent available.
  • 2. Commercial opportunities are respected. To be honest it is difficult to imagine what kind of commercial opportunities can be pursued with this low resolution image.
  • 3. Minimal usage. Only two non-free images will be used in this article.
  • 4. Previous publication. It has been publicly displayed outside Wikipedia. See: http://www.archaeology.co.uk/blog/lisa-westcott/blisters-bum-smacks-and-humble-pie-my-first-class-at-gladiator-school.htm
  • 5. Content. AFAIK it meets general Wikipedia content standards.
  • 6. Media-specific policy. It has tried to respect and meet Wikipedia's media-specific policy.
  • 7. One-article minimum. It is used in Schola Gladiatoria article.
  • 8. Contextual significance. Its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the topic (see the difference between HEMA and SCA), and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding (if free SCA images from Wikipedia Commons are to be used).
  • 9. Restrictions on location. It is displayed in an article.
  • 10. Image description page. It is provided.

Ulrich von Lichtenstein (talk) 17:13, 12 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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