Wikipedia talk:Selected anniversaries/March 2

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Nevada Territory is a stub. If and when it is expanded, it can be part of the rotation on this page.

• 1861 - The United States organized Nevada Territory.

Why does this anniversary appear on this day, when in the article itself (and on the cover of the first edition) the date is March 3? eman 01:44, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Dunno ... but many magazines and journals are published before the date of issue.... Anyway, I've moved it to March 3. -- PFHLai 11:13, 2005 Feb 27 (UTC)

• New articles (unused): Steel Workers Organizing Committee
• Omitted: Convention of 1836, Pope Pius XII, Battle of the Bismarck Sea, Lucky Lady II, Soyuz 28
• Included: League of Lezhë (first appearance), College of Arms (first appearance), Battle of the Rice Boats (first appearance), Founding Congress of the Comintern (first appearance), King Kong (1933 film) (first appearance)

—howcheng {chat} 10:21, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

• Deleted: Ho Chi Minh (date not in article, also appears on May 19); Europa (moon) (date not in article, also appears on January 7)
• Moved to Ineligible: Battle of the Bismarck Sea (TFA for March 3, 2013)
• Omitted: League of Lezhë; Battle of the Rice Boats; King Kong (1933 film)
• Included: Convention of 1836 (2nd appearance, last in 2011); Pope Pius XII (2nd appearance, last in 2011); Wilt Chamberlain's 100-point game (first appearance)
• Repeats: College of Arms (2nd consecutive appearance, 2 total); Founding Congress of the Comintern (2nd consecutive appearance, 2 total)

—howcheng {chat} 23:36, 28 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

• Rescued from Ineligible (unused): Semaphore line; King Kong (1933 film); Battle of the Bismarck Sea
• Omitted: College of Arms; Convention of 1836/Texas Declaration of Independence; Founding Congress of the Comintern; Wilt Chamberlain's 100-point game
• Included: League of Lezhë (2nd appearance, last in 2012); Rutherford B. Hayes (first appearance); Operation Rolling Thunder (first appearance); Soyuz 28 (5th appearance, last in 2011)
• Repeats: Pope Pius XII (2nd consecutive appearance, 3 total; 75th anniversary)

—howcheng {chat} 11:26, 1 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• Omitted: League of Lezhë; Rutherford B. Hayes; Pope Pius XII
• Included: College of Arms (3rd appearance, last in 2013); Semaphore line (3rd appearance, last in 2010); Steel Workers Organizing Committee (first appearance)
• Repeats: Operation Rolling Thunder (2nd consecutive appearance, 2 total; 50th anniversary); Soyuz 28 (2nd consecutive appearance, 6 total)

—howcheng {chat} 11:57, 28 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Next year, the Nineteen Day Fast will start on March 1st, rather than on March 2nd. This is due to a change in the Baha'i Calendar that aligns the start of the new year to the equinox in Tehran rather than the Gregorian date of March 21st. I wonder if we should make the change now for March 1st and March 2nd, so that it is not mistakenly copied over from 2015. Regards, -- Jeff3000 (talk) 03:19, 3 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I would add a note to the talk page. Is this a permanent move, or a one-time deal? —howcheng {chat} 06:12, 3 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
    • It's going to be year by year. The Nineteen Day Fast will now start 19 days before the vernal equinox, not 19 days before March 21st. Some years it's going to start on March 2nd, some on March 1st, and I can imagine in some years it could even be February 28th/29th. Regards, -- 174.115.93.215 (talk) 02:25, 4 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Omitted: College of Arms; Semaphore line; Steel Workers Organizing Committee; Operation Rolling Thunder
• Included: League of Lezhë (3rd appearance, last in 2014); Roberto Cofresí/Capture of the Anne (both: first appearance); 1st Congress of the Comintern (3rd appearance, last in 2013); Lucky Lady II (2nd appearance, last in 2011)
• Repeats: Soyuz 28 (3rd consecutive appearance, 7 total)

—howcheng {chat} 11:09, 29 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"1444 – Skanderbeg organised the League of Lezhë, an alliance of Albanian principalities that is regarded as the first unified Albanian state."

This assertion is factually incorrect and violates NPOV. Multiple reliable sources used in the article explain that:

• "Skanderbeg organised the League of Lezhë" - Skanderbeg did not organize the League of Lezhë. Venetians controlled Albania Veneta and organized this alliance in the Venetian-held town of Lezhë to create military alliance aimed against the Ottoman Empire. Skanderbeg was appointed as commander of this alliance, he did not organize it.
• "an alliance of Albanian principalities" - This was not an alliance of Albanian principalities. Regional Albanian and Serbian chieftains concluded (along the Adriatic coast from southern Epirus to the Bosnian border) an alliance aimed against the Ottoman Empire.
• "that is regarded as the first unified Albanian state" - Hipothesis about this alliance being a state has not received a significant scholarly support. Adjective "first unified Albanian" much less.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 21:36, 3 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Antidiskriminator: Please suggest some replacement text, as you seem to know more about the subject than I do. Thanks. —howcheng {chat} 05:31, 6 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Howcheng: I would suggest completely neutral text only with information supported by scholarly consensus. That text should be quite sufficient without disputable assertions connected with Albanian nationalistic myth-making which insists that this alliance of pure Albanian regional chieftains was (first unified state) of Albanian nation, consisting of unified principalities that were also Albanian. My proposal is (please copy edit if necessary):

• 1444 – The League of Lezhë, an alliance of the regional chieftains, was established in Venetian Albania with Skanderbeg as its commander.--Antidiskriminator (talk) 10:00, 6 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Moved to Ineligible: Semaphore line (maintenance); King Kong (1933 film) (maintenance)
• New articles (unused): U.S. Steel (moved from February 25)
• Omitted: League of Lezhë; 1st Congress of the Comintern; Lucky Lady II
• Included: College of Arms (4th appearance, last in 2015); Steel Workers Organizing Committee (2nd appearance, last in 2015; 80th anniversary); Wilt Chamberlain's 100-point game (2nd appearance, last in 2013); Susanna M. Salter (first appearance); Dusty Springfield (first appearance)
• Repeats: Roberto Cofresí/Capture of the Anne (both: 2nd consecutive appearance, 2 total); Soyuz 28 (4th consecutive appearance, 8 total)

—howcheng {chat} 08:01, 2 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Omitted: College of Arms; Roberto Cofresí/Capture of the Anne; Steel Workers Organizing Committee; Wilt Chamberlain's 100-point game; Susanna M. Salter; Dusty Springfield
• Included: League of Lezhë (4th appearance, last in 2016); Battle of the Rice Boats (2nd appearance, last in 2012); Battle of the Bismarck Sea (7th appearance, last in 2011; 75th anniversary); Charles I, Count of Flanders (first appearance); Bedřich Smetana (first appearance); Gisela Januszewska (first appearance)
• Repeats: Soyuz 28 (5th consecutive appearance, 9 total; 40th anniversary)

—howcheng {chat} 17:12, 2 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Moved to Ineligible: Roberto Cofresí/Capture of the sloop Anne (dates are inconsistent)
• Omitted: League of Lezhë; Battle of the Rice Boats; Battle of the Bismarck Sea; Charles I, Count of Flanders; Bedřich Smetana; Gisela Januszewska
• Included: College of Arms (5th appearance, last in 2017); 1st Congress of the Comintern (4th appearance, last in 2016; 100th anniversary); Lucky Lady II (3rd appearance, last in 2016; 70th anniversary); William Murray, 1st Earl of Mansfield (first appearance); Alexander Bullock (first appearance); Dusty Springfield (2nd appearance, last in 2017; 20th anniversary)
• Repeats: Soyuz 28 (6th consecutive appearance, 10 total)

—howcheng {chat} 17:08, 4 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Deleted: Roberto Cofresí/Capture of the sloop Anne (moved to March 5)
• Omitted: 1st Congress of the Comintern; Lucky Lady II; Soyuz 28/Vladimír Remek (Remek was previously ineligible); William Murray, 1st Earl of Mansfield; Alexander Bullock; Dusty Springfield
• Included: Optical telegraph (4th appearance, last in 2015; rescued from from Ineligible); U.S. Steel (3rd appearance, last in 2016); Battle of the Bismarck Sea (8th appearance, last in 2018); Top quark (first appearance; 25th anniversary); Francesco Bianchini (2nd appearance, last in 2018; also appeared on December 13, his birthday); Louis-Gabriel Suchet (first appearance); Grete Hermann (first appearance)
• Repeats: College of Arms (2nd consecutive appearance, 6 total)

—howcheng {chat} 16:55, 3 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• New articles (ineligible): Lionel Matthews (TFA for 2021)
• Omitted: College of Arms; Optical telegraph; U.S. Steel; Battle of the Bismarck Sea; Top quark; Francesco Bianchini; Louis-Gabriel Suchet; Grete Hermann
• Included: League of Lezhë (5th appearance, last in 2018); Carl Sylvius Völkner (first appearance); rescued from Ineligibleblurb previously featured Völkner incident, which remains ineligible, and is making its 3rd appearance, last in 2009); Steel Workers Organizing Committee (3rd appearance, last in 2017); Ne Win/1962 Burmese coup d'état (Ne Win: 2nd appearance, last in 2007; Coup: first appearance; rescued from Ineligible); Moscovium/Tennessine/Oganesson (all: first appearance); George Sandys (first appearance); Susanna M. Salter (2nd appearance, last in 2017); Selim Sırrı Tarcan (2nd appearance, last in 2019; also appeared on March 25, his birthday)

—howcheng {chat} 07:46, 4 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Omitted: Carl Sylvius Völkner; Steel Workers Organizing Committee; Moscovium/TennessineOganesson; George Sandys; Susanna M. Salter; Selim Sırrı Tarcan
• Included: Great Slave Auction (first appearance); 1st Congress of the Comintern (5th appearance, last in 2019); Soyuz 28/Vladimír Remek (Soyuz: 11th appearance, last in 2019; Remek: first); Pope Adrian VI (first appearance); James A. Gilmore (first appearance); Lionel Matthews (first appearance)
• Repeats: League of Lezhë (2nd consecutive appearance, 6 total); Ne Win/1962 Burmese coup d'état (both: 2nd consecutive appearance; NW: 3 total; Coup: 2 total; 60th anniversary)

—howcheng {chat} 08:05, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Remove: 1919 – Communist, revolutionary-socialist, and syndicalist delegates met in Moscow to establish the Communist International., which has a main article of 1st Congress of the Comintern
Add: 2022 – Russian forces capture the city of Kherson during the Russian invasion of Ukraine, which has a main article of the Battle of Kherson.

The battle article is in better shape than the 1919 article (it actually has pictures) & it is a recent event which had decent significance and attention across the world. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 21:25, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

As this got no attention or comments for over 2 months, I went ahead and did the replacement. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 21:50, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@WeatherWriter: Hooks for OTD are usually swapped a couple days before the date. If you put it in the template now, future OTD swappers might think it ran the previous year and replace it. It is better to add new entries to the eligible list. Z1720 (talk) 22:42, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh got it. The swap was temporarily undone. If someone sees this discussion before March 2, 2024, please do the swap as I proposed. Cheers! The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 23:11, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]