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Ameerah1
- Ameerah1 (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
02 February 2021
Suspected sockpuppets
- Xenen1970 (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki) (
Clerk note: originally filed under this user)
- Athmafhc (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- JFFF234 (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Abzskhd8065 (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Expert7820 (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Atttx67 (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Tools: Editor interaction utility • Interaction Timeline • User compare report Auto-generated every hour.
These are clearly the same user(s) or meat puppets, similar edit summaries with overly detailed descriptions, bungling page moves and the overlap here CUPIDICAE💕 23:48, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
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- self endorsing. CUPIDICAE💕 23:50, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
Likely. Same geolocation, all but one are on the same range. Relatively the same user agent. ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 03:41, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
- @Oshwah: Given the country, i'm inclined to say only
Possible except JFFF234/Xenen1970. I do think this is some form of meatpuppet recruitment as they are mostly using different mobile phones even if there is only a slight difference. -- Amanda (aka DQ) 11:51, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
- This appears to be some sort of super organized meat puppetry, I'm guessing an editing firm now. Just found another account Atttx67. @Oshwah and AmandaNP:CUPIDICAE💕 14:16, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
- Atttx67
Likely Expert7820. -- Amanda (aka DQ) 12:26, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
- Atttx67
- @Oshwah: Given the country, i'm inclined to say only
- Meaty block evaders or socky block evaders is still block evasion. Indeffed the lot. Cabayi (talk) 12:31, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
21 February 2021
Suspected sockpuppets
- Xenen1970 (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki) (
Clerk note: originally filed under this user)
- Ameerah1 (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
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Our ever so friendly TOU violator is back with Draft:Miri Rodriguez CUPIDICAE💕 15:21, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
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- Blocked, tagged, closing. MER-C 11:06, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
23 March 2021
Suspected sockpuppets
- Xenen1970 (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki) (
Clerk note: originally filed under this user)
- Fezzxiv (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- DLSMX (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- KTAXRE (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- CMMTY (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
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Clearly the same user, bungling page moves, edits to Matthew Knowles. See for example this move which was originally about Michael Gorton, which is a tell for socks here, making it unclear what they're actually moving to mainspace. VAXIDICAE💉 16:06, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
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- Self endorsed given the sheer number of socks last time. Please do a sleeper check. VAXIDICAE💉 16:07, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
Confirmed:
- Fezzxiv (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- CMMTY (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- DLSMX (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- KTAXRE (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- BATTXS (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- -- Amanda (aka DQ) 16:19, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
- Blocked, tagged, G5'd, locks requested, nothing more to do, closing, Cabayi (talk) 16:57, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
05 April 2021
Suspected sockpuppets
- Xenen1970 (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki) (
Clerk note: originally filed under this user)
- Pennicle304 (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Forcivef20 (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Safdhba (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Winif8 (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Terrifegh (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Sakwahfs (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Maje203 (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Tools: Editor interaction utility • Interaction Timeline • User compare report Auto-generated every hour.
Very obviously Xenen, rapid fire creation, weird edit summaries, creation of articles on academics. Confirmed by cu on simple, requesting a sleeper check here since they usually have several going at once VAXIDICAE💉 15:16, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
- This is almost certainly related to this long term paid farm aka WikiExperts. VAXIDICAE💉 15:20, 5 April 2021 (UTC)
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In progress - Mz7 (talk) 02:06, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
- Because of the nature of the underlying range, it's kind of tedious to do a sleeper check here. Nevertheless, I can also add as highly
Likely the following accounts:
- OXXTQ651 (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Centdghp (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Sakwahfs (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Walestinab (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- There are probably more, but these were all I could see for the time being. All accounts
Blocked and tagged.
Global lock(s) requested, closing. Mz7 (talk) 02:34, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
- Actually, after further review, I'm not 100% sure about Maje203. That account is on the same range, but it looks like it's missing a few of the key behavioral tells for this master, and the device is slightly different. They're also older than Xenen1970. @Praxidicae and Vermont: How sure are we on that one? Mz7 (talk) 02:49, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
- Mz7, unfortunately the underlying range and pattern of data is rather annoying, but it is as much of a technical match as possible. Behaviorally, though the English Wikipedia edits may not necessarily fit the pattern, it does on the Simple English Wikipedia. Best, Vermont (talk) 02:59, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
13 April 2021
Suspected sockpuppets
- Xenen1970 (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki) (
Clerk note: originally filed under this user)
- Akashemu (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
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This is newly created sock, created after the last bunch of puppets were blocked earlier this month. This sock's history, shows that they immediately began editing the page, Sowemimo Abiodun, which had been recently edited by another sock, User:Forcivef20. A comparison of the changes by each show a definite similarity. See this and this. Onel5969 TT me 14:05, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
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Clerk note: endorsing for CU attention given the excessive amount of socks last round. Please check for sleepers. TAXIDICAE💰 14:21, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
- The underlying range is very difficult to run a sleeper check on, but from what I could run,
No sleepers immediately visible. The sock account is locked; closing SPI report... ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 18:36, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
18 April 2021
Suspected sockpuppets
- Xenen1970 (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki) (
Clerk note: originally filed under this user)
- Akashemu (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki) (
Clerk note: originally filed under this user)
- Olukayode Olawuni (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
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this edit and this edit on an article ripe with puppets are very similar. Both from newly created SPA accounts. Onel5969 TT me 13:35, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
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- Moving to Xenen1970 - Akashemu is locked for "long-term abuse", Tks4Fish indicated that the lock was for being the same person as Forcivef20, who in turn is blocked locally as a sock of Xenen. GeneralNotability (talk) 01:57, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
- Ducky.
Blocked without tags,
Global lock(s) requested. GeneralNotability (talk) 02:00, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
26 April 2021
Suspected sockpuppets
- Xenen1970 (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki) (
Clerk note: originally filed under this user)
- Terrzxx12 (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Terrzxx10 (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Tools: Editor interaction utility • Interaction Timeline • User compare report Auto-generated every hour.
Already locked, filing for sleeper check. Terzxx10 is a disclosed alt of Terrzxx12, who recreated Ahmed Musa Dangiwa. --Blablubbs|talk 09:42, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
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- This case is being reviewed by Blablubbs as part of the clerk training process. Please allow him to process the entire case without interference, and pose any questions or concerns either on his talk page or on this page if more appropriate.
CheckUser requested and endorsed by clerk – per above, please look for other accounts. Thanks and best, Blablubbs|talk 09:45, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
- The two accounts are
Confirmed to one another and
Likely to the master - all are editing in the same range. The range is very widely used, but from what I could run,
No sleepers immediately visible. ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 18:11, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
- Everyone's locked, leaving untagged, closing. GeneralNotability (talk) 02:00, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
30 August 2021
Suspected sockpuppets
- Xenen1970 (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki) (
Clerk note: originally filed under this user)
- Adabaruku (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Anticvobs (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Taminix13333 (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Tools: Editor interaction utility • Interaction Timeline • User compare report Auto-generated every hour.
- Anticvobs created Special:History/Hessam Nadji as originally Ilya Pozin. Adabaruku created simple:Ilya Pozin. File:Ilya Pozin1.jpg was uploaded by previous sock OXXTQ651.
- Adabaruku created simple:Michael Gorton. File:Michael Gorton.jpg was uploaded by previous sock DLSMX.
- Anticvobs created simple:Rinki Sethi. Rinki Sethi was substantially edited by Xenen1970.
- Anticvobs created simple:Jason Njoku. Jason Njoku was substantially edited by previous sock Maje203.
- Adabaruku created simple:Maureen Metcalf and uploaded File:Maureen Metcalf.jpg (since deleted). Taminix13333 uploaded File:Maureen Metcalf1.jpg.
- Bungled page move for Taminix13333 on Bracken Darrell (Entrepreneur).
- Adabaruku created Special:Undelete/Adamu Garba II. Anticvobs created Lobin C. Lowe as originally Adamu Garba II. Taminix13333 uploaded File:Adamu Garba II.jpg.
- Adabaruku created simple:Farida Kabir. File:Farida Kabir.jpg was uploaded by previous sock Atttx67.
All of the above are UPE prone subjects. Also common edit summaries, and a certain unlikely tell on Commons. I also think Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Sadeeqzaria is the same user.
- OXXTQ651 uploaded File:Bako Ambianda.png. Abbas Kwarbai created simple:Bako Ambianda.
- Adabaruku created Special:Undelete/Omoha Nduka John. Abbas Kwarbai created simple:Prince Luxury Group.
- Taminix13333 uploaded File:Dayo Adedayo.jpg. Dayo Adedayo is full of Sadeeqzaria socks. MER-C 10:58, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
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Clerk endorsed per filer for a sleeper check; the archives look like they might be stale, but there is log data. If you have time, please also compare the CU logs in the Sadeeqzaria case. Thanks. --Blablubbs (talk) 11:16, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
In progress - Mz7 (talk) 01:40, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
Likely plus the following accounts:
- Wannikenan (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Cemencus Damfs (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
Blocked and tagged. The Sadeeqzaria accounts are
Possible to these—I can't really glean anything else off of what limited data remains there. Mz7 (talk) 01:58, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
- Please hold off closing for now or deleting G5, I've already found two more accounts:
- Alcdafid (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Ulocus Omodo (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Cemencus Damfs created Paul Alexander Bilokon; Alcdafid uploaded File:Dr Paul Bilokon.jpg.
- Wannikenan created Draft:Global Diversity List and Rainbow Honours; Ulocus Omodo uploaded File:Global Diversity List.png and File:Rainbow Honours 2.jpg.
- Anticvobs created Draft:Pride Power List and . Ulocus Omodo uploaded File:Pride Power List.jpg and File:Peter Jean-Marie.jpg.
- Wannikenan created simple:Tomasz Zaleski. Alcdafid uploaded File:H.E Tomasz Zaleski.jpg.
- Wannikenan created simple:Ibrahim Sagna and simple:Ahmed Musa Dangiwa. Ulocus Omodo uploaded File:Ibrahim Sagna.jpg and File:Ahmed Musa Dangiwa.jpg.
- Ulocus Omodo uploaded File:Phyll Opoku-Gyimah.jpg. Cemencus Damfs added it.
- I'm going to have to look at each of the spam articles created by the two new accounts. I'll post here once I'm done. MER-C 08:06, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
- Cleanup done for these accounts here, images checked. Now to look at simple.wp. MER-C 12:19, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
- Nothing to report from simple.wp. I think Toshikenan (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki) is also them, but there is no link to the existing articles. MER-C 18:18, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
- Waloowal16 (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki) may also be them. MER-C 11:56, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
- Two more accounts found:
- Researchtoknow (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki) voted keep in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Omoha Nduka John, article created by Adabaruku. See also [3]. Voted keep on simple:Wikipedia:Requests for deletion/Requests/2021/Nairametrics (Nigeria), subsequently recreated by Toshikenan (now deleted again). Uploaded File:Stankevicius International.png.
- Thoughtfulmind007 (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki) created simple:Stankevicius International. See also [4]. MER-C 15:55, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
- Comments78 (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki) may also be them. MER-C 15:21, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
- They did the same draft repurposing trick on Mohammed Maigari Dingyadi. I'm going to block them. For the record, I am done here - please relist to get the new accounts checked. MER-C 19:34, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
Relisted - for sleeper check on the non-stale accounts listed above. Thanks, Spicy (talk) 10:16, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
In progress - for reference, checking:
- Alcdafid (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Researchtoknow (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Thoughtfulmind007 (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Comments78 (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- as the non-stale indicating accounts ~TNT (she/her • talk) 00:23, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
- The following are
Confirmed to each other:
- Researchtoknow (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Thoughtfulmind007 (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Mysource007 (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Other accounts do not appear to be related, but this is an incredibly busy set of ranges. ~TNT (she/her • talk) 00:29, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks.
Awaiting administrative action - please indef Thoughtfulmind007 and Mysource007 per the CU results. Spicy (talk) 03:44, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
- Done. Please request locking at m:SRG. MER-C 08:50, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks.
Global lock(s) requested for all blocked accounts. I'm not going to tag Alcdafid and Ulocus Omodo because the technical relationship isn't clear, but they're already blocked on two wikis so a lock is in order anyway. Closing. Thanks, Spicy (talk) 14:24, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
19 November 2021
Suspected sockpuppets
- Xenen1970 (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki) (
Clerk note: originally filed under this user)
- Mukaigurin (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Tarell005 (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Jasmine441 (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Tools: Editor interaction utility • Interaction Timeline • User compare report Auto-generated every hour.
Very similar edit summary patterns as previous blocked socks. Three socks I saw are Abzskhd8065 (compare this summary by Mukaigurin with this summary by the sock), Tarell005 and Jasmine441 (latter two are socks found on simplewiki, both blocked at enwiki and glocked). Combimed with a similar focus on BLPs, especially Nigerian ones, I felt that this was very, very obvious. Requesting CU as there doesn't seem to have been a check in a while, and CU has turned up sleepers in the past. JavaHurricane 12:59, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
- Also see the editing at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/InstaShop, which was affected by lots of sockpuppetry. JavaHurricane 13:04, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
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- Agreed and blocked. Leaving CU request up to check for other accounts. MER-C 13:50, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
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Clerk endorsed per above; please check due to history of sleeper use. Thanks, Spicy (talk) 22:19, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
In progress - ~TheresNoTime (to explain!) 22:58, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
- Mukaigurin, Tarell005 and Jasmine441 are very
Likely to each other.
Blocked and tagged,
No sleepers immediately visible ~TheresNoTime (to explain!) 23:07, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
09 January 2022
Suspected sockpuppets
- Xenen1970 (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki) (
Clerk note: originally filed under this user)
- Benenele (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Zaleskusd1059 (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Gwagon001 (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Maxnim (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Tools: Editor interaction utility • Interaction Timeline • User compare report Auto-generated every hour.
We haven't had a sweep of this sockpuppeteer lately. Spam at Special:Undelete/Sebastian-Justus Schmidt, characteristic edit summaries (compare Mukaigurin). The other two are already locked but are included for the purpose of getting more data and context. MER-C 14:42, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
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In progress - Girth Summit (blether) 16:20, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
- All four accounts are operating out of the same (busy) range as previous socks. Benenele and Zaleskusd1059 are using the same (uncommon) user agent as each other, and as previous sock; given the similarities in their editing, I'd be happy to call them
Confirmed. I can't say much about Gwagon001 - they haven't edited on this project, so CU doesn't give me much aside from confirming that their global account was created using the same range as the others. Maxnim is using a different user agent from all of the other socks I've looked at. No other accounts are jumping out at me, but it is a busy range. Girth Summit (blether) 16:47, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
Global lock(s) requested, closing. TheSandDoctor Talk 18:34, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
09 May 2022
Suspected sockpuppets
- Ginginie11 (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki) (
Clerk note: originally filed under this user)
- Lilio11 (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Tools: Editor interaction utility · Interaction Timeline · SPI Tools
Pro-forma, based on off-wiki evidence. Lilio11 is already confirmed, but there's probably more where these came from. -- RoySmith (talk) 16:55, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
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In progress - -- RoySmith (talk) 16:55, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
Confirmed
No sleepers immediately visible -- RoySmith (talk) 17:03, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
18 July 2022
Suspected sockpuppets
- Ginginie11 (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki) (
Clerk note: originally filed under this user)
- Lamini12 (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Lamieni55 (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Tools: Editor interaction utility · Interaction Timeline · SPI Tools
Possible UPE sock/meatpuppets involved in creating and trying to preserve a whitewashed promotional version (this rev) of Mandla Lamba.
- These three users made the only edits of actual substance before the article was rewritten, all other edits were maintenance. Very curious, because subject of article turned out to be a known fraudster.
- Lamini12/Lamieni55: similar names, created one day apart, both did just enough to attain autoconfirmed before creating initial page and moving back to mainspace after it got draftified.
- Gingie11: likely sleeper shows up to defend at AfD, also contributed small edit. Contribs shows vandal/inactive that abruptly starts taking interest in AfDs on 28 Jun — possible attempt to "establish cover" first (Mandla Lamba AfD nom was made on 26 Jun)
- After article was rewritten, Gingie11 persistently seeks to restore "desired" version, gets blocked. Lamini12 takes over, then gives up(?). Notice that both undo edits one by one rather than revert in a single edit. Disruption appears to have ceased (for now at least)
- Found a conversation between admins that suggests possible connection to previous cases
- Gingie11 made page moves about Momar Sakanoko, obsession of Williamchaupin sockfarm
- Gingie11 similar name to sockmaster Ginginie11 which has sock Lilio11 (
probably more
suspected, but no sleepers detected at that time)
- Similar edit summary wording "Highlight (for)" across users: Lamini12, Lamieni55, Ginginie11, Lilio11 and simple:Special:Contributions/Gingie11
CU requested to 1) confirm/refute sockpuppetry 2) establish any connection to Gingie11/Lilio11 3) check for additional sleepers
Thanks in advance to CUs/clerks. 2406:3003:2077:1E60:C998:20C6:8CCF:5730 (talk) 21:14, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
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Clerk note: Moved from talk per request. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 04:14, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- I don't need CU to tell me that Lamini and Lamieni are the same person, but Gingie could be either SOCK or MEAT, so
Clerk endorsed. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 04:21, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- Lamini12 & Lamieni55
Confirmed,
Possible to Gingie11/Ginginie11/Lilio11 but with completely different UAs. -- Amanda (she/her) 06:02, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- All three
Blocked and tagged as proven, and Ginginie and Lilo re-tagged as proven to Gingie, based on CU, usernames, and edit summaries. Might be a UPE farm with a shared M.O., but I lean toward it being a single actor. Either way, evading the blocks on Ginginie and Lilo. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 15:27, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
19 July 2022
Suspected sockpuppets
- Ginginie11 (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki) (
Clerk note: originally filed under this user)
- Mqota (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Tools: Editor interaction utility · Interaction Timeline · SPI Tools
brand new account, just happened to find Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Mandla_Lamba Star Mississippi 22:38, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
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Unrelated -- Amanda (she/her) 23:47, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- Closing without action for now. If they start making meatpuppetish edits, feel free to re-report. But I find usually with SPAs at AfD, it's best to tag and ignore unless they start bludgeoning or causing trouble elsewhere. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 00:26, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- thanks both! Will do, but hopefully won't need to. Star Mississippi 01:14, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
06 September 2022
Suspected sockpuppets
- Toshikenan (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki) (
Clerk note: originally filed under this user)
- GMB Hafinew (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki) (
Clerk note: Original case name
- Femvxa12Wa (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Tools: Editor interaction utility · Interaction Timeline · SPI Tools
- This log search makes it clear that these accounts are the same person; GMB Hafinew created Nancy Davis (Quadratic Capital) on the 4th, it was deleted an hour later, and recreated exactly two days and four minutes after its original creation by Femvxa12Wa.
- Both accounts' first edit was to their user pages, and they both made just enough edits to reach autoconfirmed before creating the page.
- Both have "mobile edit" and "mobile web edit" on their edits — Ingenuity (talk • contribs) 11:45, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
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In progress - these accounts are
Confirmed, I'm looking at the ranges for some possible older ones. Girth Summit (blether) 14:13, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- OK, the following accounts are all using the same user agent, they overlap on multiple IP ranges, there is some WP:BEANS stuff that I won't go into. There are other accounts on those ranges which may also be them, but I'm not quite ready to call them confirmed.
- Femvxa12Wa (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- ManguXar (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Spiderni2012 (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Markzanb (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Hukunyi (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Green Man Head (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- IPADD20 (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Toshikenan (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- GRAZ VABINMU (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- GMB Hafinew (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- The oldest account is Toshikenan - I will rename this there. Girth Summit (blether) 14:36, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- @Girth Summit: It's possibly a little academic, but confirmed or proven (particularly for GMB Hafinew and Femvxa12Wa)? --Jack Frost (talk) 20:25, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
- That's a fair questions, Jack Frost. From a purely technical perspective, they are very
Likely to one another; allowing for the fact that they submitted identical drafts about the same subject, I would be prepared to say
Confirmed, but I think the 'proven' tag is fine given the nature of the technical data. Girth Summit (blether) 09:27, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
- Great, thanks Girth Summit. Just wanted to check.
--Jack Frost (talk) 10:12, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
- Great, thanks Girth Summit. Just wanted to check.
- That's a fair questions, Jack Frost. From a purely technical perspective, they are very
- @Girth Summit: It's possibly a little academic, but confirmed or proven (particularly for GMB Hafinew and Femvxa12Wa)? --Jack Frost (talk) 20:25, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
09 October 2022
Suspected sockpuppets
- Toshikenan (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki) (
Clerk note: originally filed under this user)
- Gingie11 (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki) (
Clerk note: originally filed under this user)
- tabubulala (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Gurin Hawa Mota (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Tools: Editor interaction utility · Interaction Timeline · SPI Tools
Single-purpose account to get Mandla Lamba deleted after previous sox were unable to get it to have their preferred content. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 10:21, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Adding Gurin Hawa Mota per shared interest in getting the article deleted + UPEësque edits. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 10:28, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
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This appears related to a similar situation documented partially at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Naveen Jain (2nd nomination) and Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2022 February 24. I found Nancy Davis Quadratic while looking at the scope of the problems with the Naveen Jain AfD. --Hipal (talk) 21:00, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
- I was researching this sequence of events yesterday with a view to requesting undeletion, and today I see there's now Draft:Nancy Davis (businesswoman). Regarding the comment "All UPEs either way, but, any idea what happened there", I voted keep at the AfD and I'm not a UPE. Anyway, thanks for blocking the socks and hopefully the article can be recreated better this time round. Mujinga (talk) 11:39, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
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Self-endorsed by clerk for checkuser attention based on strong behavioral similarities. If the CU results don't show sockpuppetry but do show anything consistent with UPE, I'd still be inclined to block, based on a history of that in this case. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 10:21, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
In progress - -- RoySmith (talk) 13:16, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Something went sideways with a case merge. Note that there's also an account with the similar name
- Ginginie11 (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- All of these are
Highly likely to each other, in a country where widespread proxy use makes most CU results somewhat sketchy.
Behavioural evidence needs evaluation
- tabubulala (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Gurin Hawa Mota (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Frydniey1 (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- ABUTH SHIKA (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- GRAZ VABINMU (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Tecmaximu789 (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Jef56Jef (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- AM Makarfi (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Yar Lukutana (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- GMB Hafinew (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Femvxa12Wa (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Verizonx09 (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Mokorow1122 (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Ashavawani (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Mr Alebiii (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
Highly likely bucket, so there's probably a case merge in our future. @Girth Summit and Jack Frost: who worked on that case and MarioGom who may be looking for a mess to try and sort out :-) -- RoySmith (talk) 14:16, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- PS, I'm in the same place as Girth on the confirmed-vs-proven question, but at some point, the weight of numbers really starts to argue for confirmed and I think we may be there :-) -- RoySmith (talk) 14:25, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Moving section from Gingie11 to Toshikenan. I think this is a UPE farm contracted by the original Gingie, rather than the same person, so not moving the full case. Behavioral eval of accounts coming shortly. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 14:49, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Okay, I've looked all through these. I see insufficient evidence to sockblock AM Makarfi, Yar Lukutana, Verizonx09, although I'm above 50% suspicion on all of them and have softblocked AM as a {{uw-ublock-wellknown}}. The other accounts all show classic UPE behavior, and so in combination with the CU results,
Blocked and tagged as proven. @RoySmith: Feel free to upgrade any of these to confirmed if you would like. Closing. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 15:03, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- @RoySmith: Hmm. I just noticed this scooped up editors on both sides of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nancy Davis Quadratic. All UPEs either way, but, any idea what happened there? -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 15:22, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- If I were to mix some tea leaves with magic pixie dust, toss it over my shoulder onto a ouija board and try to interpret the resulting patterns, my guess would be "competing UPE farms". -- RoySmith (talk) 15:26, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hmmm, I see Hipal beat me to that conclusion. -- RoySmith (talk) 15:28, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Should Mokorow be split off somewhere then? Or just converted to an unspecified UPE block? -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 15:31, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, I don't have a great answer for you. Looking at this again, I'd say WP:GHBH is another possibility, maybe a more likely possibility than a competing UPE as I originally suggested. I guess leave them here. One thing I can say with certainty is that Ginginie11 belongs with Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Gingie11, not here. -- RoySmith (talk) 17:33, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- I just noticed how quickly Mokorow AfD'd the Davis article: 34 seconds. I'm wondering if this wasn't an effort to put the article through AfD early on, stack the vote, and make it harder to AfD in the future. Well, I've blocked its creator (Josiph90 (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)) as a suspected sock and DUCK UPE account, and G5 is one the criteria that still applies even after an AfD keep, so, article's gone. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 23:33, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, I don't have a great answer for you. Looking at this again, I'd say WP:GHBH is another possibility, maybe a more likely possibility than a competing UPE as I originally suggested. I guess leave them here. One thing I can say with certainty is that Ginginie11 belongs with Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Gingie11, not here. -- RoySmith (talk) 17:33, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Should Mokorow be split off somewhere then? Or just converted to an unspecified UPE block? -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 15:31, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- Hmmm, I see Hipal beat me to that conclusion. -- RoySmith (talk) 15:28, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- If I were to mix some tea leaves with magic pixie dust, toss it over my shoulder onto a ouija board and try to interpret the resulting patterns, my guess would be "competing UPE farms". -- RoySmith (talk) 15:26, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
- @Mujinga: By no means did I mean to imply that everyone involved here was a UPE. Rather I meant that all three now-blocked accounts at that AfD are UPEs. Apologies for the ambiguity. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 13:43, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
15 November 2022
Suspected sockpuppets
- Tyncove (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki) (
Clerk note: original case name)
- UPEZ1 (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Tools: Editor interaction utility · Interaction Timeline · SPI Tools
See consolidated contributions [5]: Both signup on October 28th, less than one hour apart, and make exactly 3 edits to their user pages. Then came back in November, one day apart, to create some spam articles. See also editing style, there are some more tells. Given the UPE(Z) smell here, I'm requesting a check. MarioGom (talk) 18:39, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
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- These accounts are pretty
Likely to one another - dotting about the same two ranges, using an identical device. The ranges are busy, and very socky - they have shared IPs with quite a few blocked (and g-locked) accounts, but I'm not seeing anything that would help me connect them to a particular master. The timeline and editing interests are telling - blocking, I'll let you worry about the tags MarioGom. Girth Summit (blether) 19:01, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
In progress - hang on a minute - there's something funny going on here. Girth Summit (blether) 19:09, 15 November 202 (UTC)
- The following accounts are all on the same range, using the exact same device, and have some very curious editing overlaps:
- Lamiytu (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki) (already blocked for spam)
- Zafafadubu (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Shawoniakr (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- TN48 (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Kasar Wuya (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Kanoouwa1 (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Lamiytu wrote James Bianco; one of these accounts nommed it at AfD, then two showed up to !vote keep. The other accounts haven't edited that particular AfD, but they have shown a very early interest in deletion discussions, and there are a number of similarities in their edit summary style. I'm blocking all. Girth Summit (blether) 19:22, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
Clerk assistance requested: - MarioGom, OK, that's all I can see - these probably need to be tagged as socks of Lamiytu. They're all
Technically indistinguishable - maybe tag the ones that have edited about James Blanco as proven, and the rest as suspected (unless you can identify any other editing overlap?) Cheers Girth Summit (blether) 19:31, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
- Girth Summit: I see a very significant behavior overlap, which I'll post soon. In the mean time, could you check if this is likely to Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Toshikenan/Archive? I think that's the master. MarioGom (talk) 21:14, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
- Probably related to Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Xenen1970/Archive too. Going through all the behavioral evidence will take some time. MarioGom (talk) 21:55, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
- Thanks for looking at the behavioural evidence, really appreciate it. I'm going to bed shortly, but will make time for this ASAP tomorrow. Girth Summit (blether) 22:13, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
- Poking around in the records, I see that most of the accounts listed at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Gingie11/Archive, and also at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Toshikenan/Archive, are
Technically indistinguishable to these accounts - same two tanges, same UA. Those at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Xenen1970/Archive look pretty similar - they're jumping about on the same two IP ranges, but are using a different device. Girth Summit (blether) 06:46, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
- Probably related to Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Xenen1970/Archive too. Going through all the behavioral evidence will take some time. MarioGom (talk) 21:55, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
- Please, merge the 4 cases, and move the final case to Ameerah1, which is the oldest account (except Amber Shy, which is related but likely a different person). I will address tagging after the merge. Here's a summary of evidence.
- All accounts use the same editor (see tags), and all accounts I could check with non-deleted contributions have an idiosyncratic editing style (pay attention to edit summaries, in particular).
- Observing the timeline, it becomes apparent that the cases are more or less sequential batches (cohorts of the same sockmaster).
- Some other tells related to initial sequential, sign up, edit count gaming, and farming sleepers for some time.
- To avoid going into excruciating detail on +80 accounts, I'll leave here just some articles with overlaps from accounts tagged to different cases. I will refer to some overlap only by the main article name, but I'm considering also overlap at alternative names, drafts, and AFD:
- Mandla Lamba: Toshikenan (Gurin Hawa Mota, Tabubulala), Gingie11 (Gingie11, Lamini12, Lamieni55); I have intentionally left out 3 more tagged as Gingie11 that are not so good behavioral matches.
- Brandon Scoop B Robinson: Tyncove (Shawoniakr, Kasar Wuya), Toshikenan (Mr Alebiii, Ashavawani).
- Phyll Opoku-Gyimah: Toshikenan (Toshikenan, Mr Alebiii), Xenen1970 (Cemencus Damfs)
- Dele Bakare: Xenen1970 (OXXTQ651), Gingie11 (Lilio11).
- If any admin, CU, or clerk, wants to see the full detail, let me know and I will send a full data dump. -- MarioGom (talk) 23:05, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
Clerk note: Case pages histmerged. Archives can be copy/paste merged. — JJMC89 (T·C) 01:35, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
- Moved to Ameerah1.
Tagged (including everything in the archive). Closing. Thank you, Girth Summit, for the thorough checks, and JJMC89 for the histmerge. MarioGom (talk) 21:43, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
17 December 2022
Suspected sockpuppets
- ABUBSC (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Tools: Editor interaction utility · Interaction Timeline · SPI Tools
Blocked as a duck per Special:Undelete/Daniel Niles vs. Special:Undelete/Draft:Dan Niles (content, ESes, and usernames). CU requested per history of sleepers. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 07:53, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
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Self-endorsed by clerk for checkuser attention. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 07:53, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
In progress Salvio 09:23, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
- I am not familiar with this sock master at all and, as other CUs have observed, it's not easy to run a sleeper check on the underlying ranges. However, the following accounts seem to be related, from a technical standpoint, and from a cursory review, I seem to detect some similarities. However, in this case,
Behavioural evidence needs evaluation:
- Mambiy (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Kofan Doka (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- RimiCollewa (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Lamyula1 (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Monoclinicva (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Nanaye12 (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Kakiku12 (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Jaajii001 (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Tatitui (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Zagazagi (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Lamboott (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- ABUBSC (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- GanuwaRepawa (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Alkanawiyimu (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Samarunee (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Akwai Stari (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki) Salvio 09:48, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
- Overlaps:
- Brandon Scoop B Robinson, this group: GanuwaRepawa, Lamyula1, previous socks: Kasar Wuya, Shawoniakr, Ashavawani, Mr Alebiii.
- Uba Sani, this group: RimiCollewa, previous socks: Jef56Jef.
- Leon Cooperman, this group: ABUBSC, previous socks: Zafafadubu.
- Daniel Kelley (hacker), this group: Mambiy, previous socks: Kasar Wuya.
- Signup cohorts:
- 2022-08-22 (10h-19h): Yuyui220 (past sock), Femvxa12Wa (past sock), IPADD20 (past sock), Green Man Head (past sock), Kakiku12, Lamyula1, Nanaye12.
- 2022-10-04 (10h-11h): Mambiy, Lamboott.
- 2022-10-18 (9h-10h): Shawoniakr (past sock), Kofan Doka, Kasar Wuya (past sock).
- 2022-11-17 (10h-11h): Zagazagi, Tatitui, ABUBSC, Monoclinicva.
- 2022-12-14 (14h-15h): Samarunee, Alkanawiyimu, GanuwaRepawa.
- There's also some similarities in editing style, edit summaries, type of editor, that is shared among almost all accounts. Some additional notes on accounts where I can't see this, usually because deleted contribs:
- Zagazagi created Draft:Tod'Aérs Global Network (TGN) which is related to Manuel Ntumba, created by Jaijia14 (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki), and that one has such similarities, as well as a similar name to Jaajii001.
- Lamboott created Andrew Aziz which was a spam target by many other UPE socks, including Breatijian (unblocked, stale Bennet43 sock).
Awaiting administrative action - please, block all accounts listed above as suspected to Ameerah1. MarioGom (talk) 11:23, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
- Blocked most. I can't say I'm entirely convinced on RimiCollewa, Monoclinicva, Samarunee, or Alkanawiyimu. Would prefer to monitor. Mambiy is marginal but ESes tip me toward blocking. Kofan Doka, taking into account the spamminess of Draft:Philip Soar, sure. Kakiku12, looking at Draft:Shared Value Africa Initiative (SVAI), ditto. Nanaye12 on tells. Lamboott per Mario and on tells. Zagazagi per Mario and on draft content. Jaajii001 per Mario and on tells. Jaijia14, ditto, might as well even if a little stale. Tatitui, again marginal but username and ES tip me over; also blocking Tatitui1 (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki) per Commons contribs.@MarioGom: Leaving this open if you have any further comments or if I missed anything. If not, you can close this. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 00:09, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
- Closing. We can revisit this if the remaining unblocked accounts have new activity. Thank you. MarioGom (talk) 10:52, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
18 January 2023
Suspected sockpuppets
- Puvasoca (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Sabomancoo (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Tools: Editor interaction utility · Interaction Timeline · SPI Tools
I noticed these accounts acting suspiciously over at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Matt Klein (strategist). Puvasoca has an interest in Daniel Kelley (hacker) (uploading commons:File:Daniel 4.jpg and adding it to the article), which has been frequented by previous socks; this account also uses similar phrasing to previous socks (compare "per Google search" in [6] with [7][8][9] etc.). Sabomancoo backed up Puvasoca in the Matt Klein AfD, and the two use similar language (compare "has pass" in [10] with [11]). Both accounts share some fairly clear edit-summary similarities (etc.) with previous socks; happy to elaborate if necessary. Requesting CU to look for sleepers. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 08:34, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
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Clerk endorsed - to check for other accounts given the history. Thanks, Spicy (talk) 10:18, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
In progress. --Blablubbs (talk) 13:23, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
Confirmed to each other and to a number of past suspected socks:
- Puvasoca
- Sabomancoo
- Raguwane (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Papayone (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Unknown Person1010 (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Kagarkoo (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Dr Bwari (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- JAMBOFF (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Dustun wai (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Alkanawiyimu (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Samarunee (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Akwai Stari (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Bacuwato (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Kongorowa (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- RimiCollewa (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- AnguwanRimine (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
Blocked and tagged. Closing. --Blablubbs (talk) 13:43, 19 January 2023 (UTC)
Global lock(s) requested TheSandDoctor Talk 07:34, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
26 January 2023
Suspected sockpuppets
- Isihu (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Tools: Editor interaction utility · Interaction Timeline · SPI Tools
This one didn't come up on the last check, but I think it's pretty clearly a match: the account creation date matches that of previous socks (compare [12] with [13][14][15]), Isihu created the Matt Klein (strategist) article that attracted Ameerah1 socks when it was AfD'd, Isihu is interested in Seema Jaswal ([16][17][18]) just like previous socks ([19][20]), and there are clear edit-summary similarities. Requesting CU to confirm and to look for sleepers. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 20:03, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
- Salvio giuliano, any sleepers? Extraordinary Writ (talk) 19:45, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
- None that I could easily see. Salvio giuliano 19:49, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
- @Extraordinary Writ: I stand corrected. Akashirev (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki) could be another, but
Behavioural evidence needs evaluation Salvio giuliano 19:52, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
- @Extraordinary Writ: I stand corrected. Akashirev (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki) could be another, but
- None that I could easily see. Salvio giuliano 19:49, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
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Clerk endorsed - per filer. Thanks, Spicy (talk) 18:15, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
- Aye, that's him. Salvio giuliano 18:25, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks.
Awaiting administrative action - please indef Isihu as a proven sock. Spicy (talk) 18:26, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
- Yep, Akashirev is a match too (similar edit summaries, similar dates of account creation, etc.). Both
Blocked and tagged. Closing. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 20:05, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
25 February 2023
Suspected sockpuppets
- Bodiadub (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki) (
Clerk note: originally filed under this user)
- NBPZA (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Tools: Editor interaction utility · Interaction Timeline · SPI Tools
Account created 14 February. A dozen precocious edits (mostly today), then recreated Pandit Dasa at Pandit Das. Pandit Dasa was created by User:Plingkow, a sock of Bodiadub, and then deleted at AFD. 2A01:4C8:63:A8F0:C898:9FFF:FEAF:9F3E (talk) 11:07, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
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- This isn't Bodiadub behavior... but instead that of Ameerah1/Xenen1970. Compare e.g. Fezzxiv, KTAXRE, Mukaigurin, Ashavawani, etc. MER-C 11:35, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
- Case section moved from Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Bodiadub. Spicy (talk) 15:49, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
CheckUser requested and endorsed by clerk - behavioural similarities mentioned by MER-C are convincing. Please check for sleepers. Thanks, Spicy (talk) 15:50, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
In progress - Girth Summit (blether) 17:37, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
- The following accounts are all
Technically indistinguishable to the suspected sock Puvasoca - they are all editing out of the same relatively narrow range, using an identical and fairly unusual UA:
- Garamane (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- NBPZA (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- HanwaLowcost (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Ntamangu (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Bugaine (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Emantoone (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- WmThwA (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Hukunci Kawai (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Gandamawa (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Dadio11 (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Lului55 (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- My instinct is to block all, but it would probably be worth doing a certain amount of behavioural comparison - Spicy, do these look similar to you? Girth Summit (blether) 17:43, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
- Blocked, tagged, locks requested. Closing. MER-C 18:08, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
08 May 2023
Suspected sockpuppets
- Hammidh44 (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Nasawakenan (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Edwiedxx (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Dogarawa (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Zamujene (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Tools: Editor interaction utility · Interaction Timeline · SPI Tools
Bunch of obvious socks at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jeremiah Thoronka. Spam pages: Dan Niles, Terrence Keeley (recreation from previous SPI under same name), Jeremiah Thoronka, Uplift11 Sports, Dhanush Dinesh, Adamu Garba Jauro, Anne Therese Gennari, Hélène Huby, Kerop D. Janoyan, Elgi Equipments. Behavior similar to previous blocked socks. MER-C 11:36, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
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- MER-C - these accounts are all dotting about the same wide, spammy, socky ranges as each other, which have also been used by Ameerah1. Each one uses a different distinct UA, which are different from the ones the last bunch of socks used, but those might be spoofed. I guess I'm in
Possible territory - if you're confident based on the behaviour, block away. Girth Summit (blether) 12:12, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks. Blocked and tagged,
Global lock(s) requested. MER-C 12:17, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
18 December 2023
Suspected sockpuppets
- Jackjones122 (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Davidjameswriter (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Modelnews (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Dwredd.chemical (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Tools: Editor interaction utility · Interaction Timeline · SPI Tools
Both accounts are focused on promoting Rheanna Cartier with the same text, see e.g. Draft:Rheanna Cartier, User:Jackjones122, User:Modelnews/sandbox. Tol (talk | contribs) @ 02:34, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
- It seems like the further I poke, the more layers this has. Draft:Rheanna Cartier was previously created by Expert7820, who is blocked as a sock of Xenen1970, which apparently traces back to Ameerah1, so this may be linked to that case. Tol (talk | contribs) @ 02:39, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
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Confirmed to each other. I'll leave this for a clerk and admin. Izno (talk) 03:04, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
Clerk note: @Izno: User account Jackjones122 was created by Davidjameswriter back in 2021. That account was also promoting Rheanna Cartier on 21 January 2021 ([21]). On the same day (21 January 2021), there were two more accounts also promoting Rheanna Cartier: Dwredd.chemical ([22]) and Expert7820 (edits are deleted). Expert7820 is blocked as a sock of Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Ameerah1. Does this case belong to Ameerah1? Vanjagenije (talk) 23:48, 18 December 2023 (UTC)
- @Vanjagenije, I think that'd be a fair merge, I just wasn't sure to endorse Tol's suggestion. I assume clerks are smarter than me in such things too. :) Izno (talk) 00:50, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
- Blocking everyone and closing. Vanjagenije (talk) 00:55, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
15 February 2024
Suspected sockpuppets
- Alleprofe (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)
- Tools: Editor interaction utility · Interaction Timeline · SPI Tools
Sleeper account created 28 October 2022, created a userpage, and went to sleep. 31 May 2023, wakes up to remove an advert tag from an article heavily edited by blocked sock User:Ashavawani [23]. Another long sleep, then wakes up today, games autoconfirm, and recreates Jeremiah Thoronka, last created by sock User:Hammidh44. Requesting checkuser to check for more sleepers. Wikishovel (talk) 11:44, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
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Possible I guess. Same large country. Everything in the archive is stale so there's not much useful data for comparison. Spicy (talk) 12:14, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
- Behavioral evidence closely matches the patterns of this sockfarm.
Blocked and tagged. Closing. The WordsmithTalk to me 23:07, 4 April 2024 (UTC)