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The result of the discussion was retarget to Outline of obstetrics. (non-admin closure) – Uanfala 23:59, 16 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• List of pregnancy-related topics → Pregnancy  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This redirect does not redirect to a list but a "See also" section with one link. I can't really find another place to redirect this title. Barbara (WVS) ✐ ✉ 23:31, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Retarget to Outline of obstetrics, which contains a list of relevant topics. feminist 13:55, 9 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget to Outline of obstetrics per Feminist. That seems like a sensible location for this redirect. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 23:29, 9 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ^(talk) 04:40, 17 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Trans b → Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society B  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

There is nothing to suggest that, of all Transactions, that the Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society B are to be preferred, over say, Metallurgical and Materials Transactions B. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 23:24, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 23:32, 9 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. There is nothing in any of the 3 contender targets Metallurgical and Materials Transactions, Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society B or Scientia Iranica to indicate they are known solely as "Trans b". Trans. B does not exist. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 07:07, 14 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Deryck C. 10:10, 18 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Moçidade Portugueŝa → Mocidade Portuguesa  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Delete. Unlikely spelling error. The 'ç' would be debatable, though I would also nominate because I think we should not preemptively create just about any remotely plausible error. But the 'ŝ' is almost impossible to be used by anyone trying to write in Portuguese because there is no such letter in the language's script. Zero hits goes to show how unlikely it is. Nabla (talk) 23:00, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Weak keep valid {{R from title without diacritics}}. - CHAMPION ^{(talk) (contributions) (logs)}

@Champion: it looks like you've got it backwards. The redirect has diacritics but the target does not. The nominator is claiming these diacritics are incorrect, did you find some usage of this term with these diacritics? -- Tavix ^(talk) 04:39, 17 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Tavix: Apologies, I have just withdrawn my !vote. - CHAMPION ^{(talk) (contributions) (logs)} 04:41, 17 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. In such cases it's possible that the odd diacritics might be representative of an older spelling, but here (although I don't know Portuguese) I'm finding it hard to imagine how any of the two diacritics could have ended up where they are. – Uanfala 09:49, 18 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Evil. -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 07:10, 16 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Evildoer → Crime  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Evildoing → Crime  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

These words are not exclusive to "crime". They could also be related to Villian or Antagonist. Steel1943 (talk) 21:18, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

To me, "evil" is more of a religious or moral term and not a criminal justice term. What someone refers to as "evildoing", or committing a moral wrong is not necessarily committing a crime in the legal sense. So an "evildoer" is not necessarily a criminal, just as a "sinner" is not. Kalbbes (talk) 23:11, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Retarget to evil Wiktionary calls an "evildoer" a person who performs evil acts. I'd be inclined to agree, and therefore it should point to evil. Evil acts are not necessarily criminal acts, therefore pointing it to criminal is not correct._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 04:05, 9 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget to evil. The redirect Evil Doer already sends readers to Evil, and I think these should too. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 05:35, 9 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget to Evil as with previous RFDs for Evil Doer AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 22:59, 9 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was speedy deleted, G7, by PhilKnight. -- Tavix ^(talk) 15:24, 10 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Regular Criminal → Crime  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The phrase "regular crime" is mentioned in Crime#Military jurisdictions and states of emergency, but the phrase is in no way identified anywhere in the target article. Steel1943 (talk) 21:14, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nomination. What reader would type in "regular crime" into a searchbox? Barbara (WVS) ✐ ✉ 23:38, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• I created the redirect in 2004 because there were some redlinks to the term. There seem to be no relevant links to it now. Unless anyone has some argument why this is still of use, I have no objection to deletion. -- Infrogmation (talk) 23:43, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 05:41, 9 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Speedy delete per creator Infrogmation's request. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 23:01, 9 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ^(talk) 04:35, 17 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Crimanal → Crime  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

This doesn't seem like a likely misspelling of "Criminal". Steel1943 (talk) 21:07, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom. No news articles that use this typo as a variant with any notable use. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 23:03, 9 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 00:31, 10 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per above --Lenticel ^(talk) 01:27, 11 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 07:09, 16 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Dumb criminal → Crime  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Dumb criminals → Crime  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The word "dumb" is nowhere in the target article. Readers looking this up may be trying to find a list of crimes possibly dumb or silly in nature. Steel1943 (talk) 21:04, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nomination. Barbara (WVS) ✐ ✉ 23:39, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as vague. There's America's Dumbest Criminals but it's not like they have a lion's share or primary topic for this. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 23:04, 9 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 00:33, 10 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as vague. They're a partial title match to America's Dumbest Criminals at best --Lenticel ^(talk) 01:11, 12 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ^(talk) 13:26, 17 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Gourd-like plant → Gourd  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Seems like unnecessary redundancy, given that all gourds are plants. Could this refer to gourd-like plants that are not gourds? Steel1943 (talk) 20:58, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

There are plants that look like gourds but aren't. An example is Datura. I hate this (sorry no NPOV here) gourd-like plant and it is growing like a weed in my front yard. Its fruit looks like a prickly gourd. That still makes this redirect pointless, though. Barbara (WVS) ✐ ✉ 23:44, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete as vague and confusing. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 23:03, 9 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• I think someone should take a delete-like action with this per the above comments. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 18:43, 11 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. As an aside, a couple of these have been "fixed" by a double-redirect bot upwards of 15 times. I don't think I've ever seen that before. -- Tavix ^(talk) 04:29, 17 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Ostan-e Azarbayjan-e Gharbi Province → Kurdistan  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

• Ostan-e Azarbayjan-e Gharbi Province, Iran → Kurdistan  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

• Ostan-e Azarbayjan-e Sharqi Province → Kurdistan  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

• Ostan-e Azarbayjan-e Sharqi Province, Iran → Kurdistan  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

• Ostān-e Āz̄arbāyjān-e Gharbī Province, Iran → Kurdistan  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

• Ostān-e Āz̄arbāyjān-e Sharqī Province → Kurdistan  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

• Ostān-e Āz̄arbāyjān-e Sharqī Province, Iran → Kurdistan  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

• Ostān-e Āz̄arbāyjān-e Gharbī Province → West Azerbaijan Province  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

• West - Azerbaijan → Kurdistan  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

• West – Azerbaijan → Kurdistan  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I don't think that normally we should be bothered about such a profusion of redirects, but on this topic, where nationalistic POV-pushing is rife, it becomes apparent that WP:COSTLY has higher relevance than elsewhere. To illustrate, in June 2015 the proper targets of these redirects East Azerbaijan Province and West Azerbaijan Province were moved to Old Kurdistan and West Azerbaijan is Kurdistan respectively [1] [2]. This got reverted in less than two hours, but that was enough time for all of its redirects to be picked up as double redirects and "fixed" by Xqbot. A few of them were subsequently corrected, while the ones I'm nominating (as well as quite a few more) weren't. Anyone following any of these redirects in the last two years would have been taken to the wrong article. Now, the relevant article has now received indefinite move protection, so this scenario isn't going to recur. However, with all these redirects being out there, and apparently so few of them being watched, they're potentially open to piecemeal POV-retargeting. In such an area it makes sense to only hold on to the redirects that are actually needed and relieve ourselves of the maintenance burden imposed by the ones whose only merit consists in being "harmless".

Specifically why are these redirects not needed? Ostan is the Persian for "province", so the first eight of these effectively mix up Persian and English renditions of the same word. Noting that the corresponding redirects without Province at the end do exist: Ostan-e Azarbayjan-e Gharbi, Ostān-e Āz̄arbāyjān-e Gharbī etc. The remaining two redirects feature an awkward hyphen/dash in their middle and are redundant to West Azerbaijan, and are remnants of moves, having been the article's title for a few hours to a couple of days repsectively in 2010. – Uanfala 19:41, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• There's an informal proposal that aims at reducing the likelihood of such a mess occurring again: see Wikipedia talk:Double redirects#The bots should operate with a delay. – Uanfala 21:33, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• delete them all, as argued by proposer. Batternut (talk) 09:28, 9 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was keep. Consensus shows that the article discusses Antlion Guards in section Creatures of Half-Life#Antlion. (non-admin closure) jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 01:53, 18 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Antlion Guard → Creatures of Half-Life  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Overly vague and confusing redirect that may be confused with actual antlions, which are a real insect. Should be deleted to avoid confusion. _{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 18:03, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep antlion guards are a type of enemy in HL2, and the article clearly discusses this. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 23:54, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • They are an enemy that shares their name with the actual animals, antlion. It's too vague, and could refer to guards against antlions, or antlions that serve as guards, etc._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 00:01, 9 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

"Antlions that serve as guards" I'm afraid ^{[citation needed]} applies for that one. As for "guards against antlions" we follow real world usage. If the insect repellent version is ever needed, you that's what Antlion guard (insect repellent) would be for. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 01:43, 9 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment the antlion section in the Creatures of Half-Life used to have bolded entries for Antlion guard, Antlion grub, Antlion worker and so forth, but I found these to be too generic to claim primary topic for Half-Life. Antlion (Half-Life) already attracts searches to this section. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 23:20, 9 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per AngusWOOF's finds. Steel1943 (talk) 14:56, 10 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep A redirect to the mention in the article is appropriate, and this shouldn't be deleted because of confusion with something that may not exist at least with this name. There are dog guards and cattle guards, but horse guard is a wasp, spider guard is a grappling position, and Mouse Guard is a comic book series. Peter James (talk) 16:44, 12 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete without opposition. My first thought was the Animorphs series... -- Tavix ^(talk) 04:31, 17 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Alien Controller → Creatures of Half-Life  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Despite being the name of a Half Life enemy, this redirect is much too vague in terms of its name. It could refer to literally any alien that controls things. It's better to be deleted to avoid confusion. _{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 17:55, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was disambiguate. I see that Rich Farmbrough has already done that. -- Tavix ^(talk) 04:07, 17 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• A Lady → George Alexander Stevens  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

I don't think the current target is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for "A Lady". For example, Jane Austen used the pen name "A Lady" for Sense and Sensibility. feminist 17:08, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nomination. That is a strange redirect. Barbara (WVS) ✐ ✉ 23:46, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• How about Turn into DAB? Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 23:55, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment is this the title or a book or song/album as with A Talk? Might be worth dabifying. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 23:21, 9 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was speedy deleted, G7, by SlimVirgin. -- Tavix ^(talk) 15:24, 10 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Locations in the United States with a name from the Channel Islands → Places named after the Channel Islands  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Improbable redirect Jjjjjjdddddd (talk) 08:13, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. This is improbable and the term "Channel Islands" is ambiguous. It could also refer to Channel Islands (California). -- Notecardforfree (talk) 14:25, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Speedy delete per originator's request. This was the original title of the article when it was created and later renamed by Jjjjjjdddddd in July 2017. It could be argued whether the article should be put up to AFD. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 23:26, 9 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. See also: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of characters in Bully, closed as "delete" in 2008 -- Tavix ^(talk) 04:03, 17 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• List of characters in Bully → Bully (video game)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Apparently, according to the target's page history, the section this redirect refers to was removed for WP:GAMECRUFT. Recommend deleting this redirect for similar reasons. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 07:20, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete as ambiguous. There are other words titled "Bully" (see Bully (disambiguation)). That said, this has a fairly complex history, and the history may need to be merged to Bully (video game). -- Notecardforfree (talk) 14:29, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Looking at the history, it is entirely gamecruft with no need for preservation._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 17:56, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment there are names of characters in the Plot section. That's about it, so if it stays it should refine target there. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 23:10, 9 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ^(talk) 04:00, 17 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Dog Eat Dog (video game) → Bully (video game)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned in target article. Was this a working title? jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 07:15, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - Probably the working title, but I doubt many people will type that in._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 17:58, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as not mentioned, so it shouldn't even be in the dab. Also could refer to this random old video game [3] or the title of some random app games. Alternatively, redirect to Dog Eat Dog#Other uses. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 23:29, 9 October 2017 (UTC) updated 02:51, 10 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ^(talk) 04:00, 17 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Game 3 → BattleBlock Theater  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Ambiguous redirect; any game can refer themselves as "Game 3." jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 07:13, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Seems like the working title, but too ambiguous._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 17:57, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete this was a working title Game #3. [4] but without the hash it could refer to any third game in a series. It's not primary topic. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 23:15, 9 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as ambiguous. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 18:44, 11 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was keep. This discussion suggests that the current target is the primary topic for the term. If anyone comes up with any evidence that this might not be the case, let me know and I'll reopen the discussion. The creation of a dab page, as proposed by Notecardforfree and feminist, is left to editor discretion: anyone is welcome to do that, I've confined myself to adding a brief hatnote at the target. (non-admin closure) – Uanfala 00:11, 17 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Arena League → Arena Football League  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

There are now multiple sports organizations that carry the name "Arena League" in some form. Until this year, this league appeared to be the only case. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 07:07, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. At least in the U.S., Arena League Football is the primary topic for this term. Is there another league that uses "Arena League" as its official title? -- Notecardforfree (talk) 14:31, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• @Notecardforfree: This could also be referred to by two other leagues: National Arena League and American Arena League. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 14:50, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• @Jd22292:, thanks for following up. I am still going to vote "keep" for now, as I think it is highly likely that a user searching for the term "Arena League" will be looking for the AFL. I would also support creating Arena League (disambiguation) and placing a hatnote at the AFL article so that readers can find information about the other leagues. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 14:54, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep but create a disambiguation page for other possible targets per Notecardforfree. feminist 03:16, 15 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete without opposition. -- Tavix ^(talk) 03:56, 17 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Amnesia: The Dark Swarm → Amnesia: The Dark Descent  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned in the target. Supposedly, this was a working title for Amnesia: A Machine for Pigs, according to a brief WP:BEFORE, but it's not mentioned in that article either. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk) 07:03, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was soft redirect to Wikt:canadew. -- Tavix ^(talk) 03:49, 17 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Canadew → Melon  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Term not mentioned in the target article. Steel1943 (talk) 02:50, 29 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• soft redirect to Wiktionary wikt:canadew, where readers will find out that it is "A melon that is a cross between a honeydew and a cantaloupe." I've not been able to find out enough to write any more than that dictionary definition. We don't have a list of melon cultivars or similar list that I can find, but we do have articles on many other types of melon so it is the sort of thing people will look up on Wikipedia. Thryduulf (talk) 12:15, 1 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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