Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Saxbe fix/archive2

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The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was not promoted by SandyGeorgia 03:32, 27 January 2009 [1].

Saxbe fix

Nominator(s): ).--TonyTheTiger
previous FAC withdrawn

I'm nominating this article for featured article because it is a rare example of United States Constitutional Law that became watercooler conversation. As such the page was highly trafficked and highly edited. Based on preliminary results at WP:DYKBEST it was the most viewed DYK hook during the month of November. Thus, I think there is a lot of interest in fully developing this article in the best form possible. If I can get this to pass it is about a ten-pointer at WP:TFAR on March 4, 2009 (the centenary of the first Saxbe fix).--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 08:50, 21 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose. I'm one of the editors who's worked on this some, but while I think it probably merits the GA status it has, I don't think it's at FA level in terms of content. It would need a much more detailed and thorough examination in the "Legality" section, for instance. Right now, the only person cited as supporting the legality of the fix is a TV reporter. And the Reagan administration's opposition to it would need to be highlighted more; right now, it's buried in the "20th century" descriptions of fixes that were used. Are there any other cases where administrations shied away from appointments due to the clause? This article doesn't give me full confidence that it's giving us a comprehensive accounting of the Saxbe fix. Also, some of the sourcing and footnoting is very rough: what makes blogger "Adam B" at Dailykos (the very first cite) a WP:RS? And there are a lot of blog entries overall used as cites; this kind of article needs law review articles as sources, not bloggers. On more minor points, "Special to The New York Times" doesn't need to be in a cite (it just means no byline), "S.J. Res. 1 (1989)" as a bare cite doesn't cut it, and the date formatting in cites is very inconsistent (some month-day, some day-month, some ISO). Wasted Time R (talk) 13:08, 21 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I realize the urgency, Tony, but isn't there a rule against nominating a second article until you've resolved concerns from a first article and built support for it? And you have Jack Kemp on the page which seems to be having a hard time of it.--Wehwalt (talk) 13:11, 21 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose I worry about comprehensiveness on this article. The article gives "examples" from each century, but whether or not there were other instances in which a fix was attempted (or the whole question ignored) is covered over. There is a statement that presidential nominees were voted on quickly in the 19th century. What's that got to do with the price of bread? Were any sitting representatives or Senators appointed to the cabinet under circumstances in which a fix should have been applied? I feel like 100 years of history is being glossed over because the editors of this article just don't know whether there were any before 1893. And I second WTR's concern about the legality being glossed over. Certainly, such a case is rather unlikely to be adjudicated under the political question doctrine (as well as standing, just like the oath screw up yesterday) but that's the kind of meat that law review articles, or at least notes in law reviews (i.e., student articles, not published under an individual name, but RS because they are intensively reviewed). I'd expect to see a flurry of law review articles and notes after each instance, just like there will probably be a few over the next two years. Or what do authors of constitutional law treatises, such as Laurence Tribe, say about this? It just seems an article put together out of a few random facts and more or less cemented together.--Wehwalt (talk) 13:47, 21 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(outdent) You might also want to see if you can find a friendly law student. Many get free unlimited access to LEXIS and WESTLAW, which I believe includes law review articles. I am a lawyer, but I use the online research service provided by my state's bar, which does not include law reviews.--Wehwalt (talk) 22:44, 24 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Otherwise, sources look okay, links checked out with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 02:26, 22 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose; while I agree with Tony that the subject "is a rare example of United States Constitutional Law that became watercooler conversation," the article needs work. It has some POV problems that must be addressed before featured article status obtains.Simon Dodd (talk) 18:55, 26 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]


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