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Category:Church councils accepted by the Roman Catholic Church
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- The result of the discussion was: rename. ℯxplicit 05:45, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Per below. Chicbyaccident (talk) 22:11, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
- Support per this earlier discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:17, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
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Category:Catholic Church Councils by country
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- The result of the discussion was: rename as nominated, while leaving the capitalization of "Church" in tact. ℯxplicit 05:45, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Catholic Church Councils by country to Category:Catholic church councils by country
- Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic Church Councils held in England to Category:Catholic church councils held in England
- Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic Church Councils held in France to Category:Catholic church councils held in France
- Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic Church Councils held in Germany to Category:Catholic church councils held in Germany
- Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic Church Councils held in Italy to Category:Catholic church councils held in Italy
- Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic Church Councils held in Portugal to Category:Catholic church councils held in Portugal
- Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic Church Councils held in Spain to Category:Catholic church councils held in Spain
- Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic Church Councils held in the Spanish Empire to Category:Catholic church councils held in the Spanish Empire
- Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic Church Councils held in the United States to Category:Catholic church councils held in the United States
- Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic Church Councils held in Vatican City to Category:Catholic church councils held in Vatican City
- Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic Church Councils by century to Category:Catholic church councils by century
- Propose renaming Category:Medieval Roman Catholic Church Councils to Category:Catholic church councils in the Middle Ages
- Propose renaming Category:11th-century Roman Catholic Church Councils to Category:11th-century Catholic church councils
- Propose renaming Category:12th-century Roman Catholic Church Councils to Category:12th-century Catholic church Councils
- Propose renaming Category:13th-century Roman Catholic Church Councils to Category:13th-century Catholic church councils
- Propose renaming Category:14th-century Roman Catholic Church Councils to Category:14th-century Catholic church councils
- Propose renaming Category:15th-century Roman Catholic Church Councils to Category:15th-century Catholic church councils
- Propose renaming Category:16th-century Roman Catholic Church Councils to Category:16th-century Catholic church councils
- Propose renaming Category:17th-century Roman Catholic Church Councils to Category:17th-century Catholic church councils
- Propose renaming Category:18th-century Roman Catholic Church Councils to Category:18th-century Catholic church councils
- Propose renaming Category:19th-century Roman Catholic Church Councils to Category:19th-century Catholic church councils
- Propose renaming Category:20th-century Roman Catholic Church Councils to Category:20th-century Catholic church councils
- Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic Church Councils to Category:Catholic church councils
- Nominator's rationale: WP:C2C: Category:Catholic Church. Catholic ecumenical councils (-ecumenical). Alternative considerable formula "Catholic Church councils". Chicbyaccident (talk) 22:11, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
- Support moving Roman Catholic to Catholic per this earlier discussion. Also support lowercase councils, these are not proper names. I suppose Church may remain with a capital, since it can be read as councils of the Catholic Church. Also possible is e.g. Category:Councils of the Catholic Church. @Chicbyaccident: could you please merge the nominations above into this one? Marcocapelle (talk) 06:12, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
- Support per Alt above at the very least, "Church" needs to be capitalised. Ditto for all above categories. Laurel Lodged (talk) 22:48, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
- Rename but to Category:Medieval church councils held in England. As far as I can see they are all pre-reformation, so that even "Catholic" is redundant. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:51, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
- @Peterkingiron: I have a hard time seeing a valid argument for dealing with this item as an exception to the other equivalent ones. Chicbyaccident (talk) 11:50, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
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Category:Roman Catholic novels
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- The result of the discussion was: rename. Considerations for deletion can be addressed in a separate nomination. ℯxplicit 05:45, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic novels to Category:Catholic novels
- Nominator's rationale: Per below. Chicbyaccident (talk) 22:11, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
- If kept, support moving Roman Catholic to Catholic per this earlier discussion. But I wonder about the category itself. Christian novel is an established genre, but is Catholic novel as well? Marcocapelle (talk) 17:39, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
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Category:Documentary films about Roman Catholicism
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- The result of the discussion was:
Relisted at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2018 August 29#Category:Documentary films about Roman Catholicism. ℯxplicit 05:45, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Per below. Chicbyaccident (talk) 22:11, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
- Hesitant, e.g. Catedral (film) is not about the Catholic Church but about building a Catholic church building. I would prefer alt rename to Category:Documentary films about Catholicism. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:42, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
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Category:Films critical of Roman Catholicism and Catholics
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- The result of the discussion was: rename. ℯxplicit 05:45, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Per below. Chicbyaccident (talk) 22:11, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
- Support moving Roman Catholic to Catholic per this earlier discussion. In addition somewhat less hesitant about "Catholic Church" in the category name than the nomination above, it is at least plausible that most or all of the criticism is directed against the Catholic Church as an institute; also per parent Category:Criticism of the Catholic Church. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:54, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
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Category:Roman Catholic television
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- The result of the discussion was: rename. ℯxplicit 05:45, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic television to Category:Catholic television
- Nominator's rationale: Per below. Chicbyaccident (talk) 22:11, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
- Support moving Roman Catholic to Catholic per this earlier discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:55, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
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Category:Roman Catholic television networks
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- The result of the discussion was: rename. ℯxplicit 05:45, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic television networks to Category:Catholic television networks
- Nominator's rationale: Per below. Chicbyaccident (talk) 22:11, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
- Support moving Roman Catholic to Catholic per this earlier discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:56, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
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Category:Roman Catholic television channels
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- The result of the discussion was: rename. ℯxplicit 05:45, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic television channels to Category:Catholic television channels
- Nominator's rationale: Per below. Chicbyaccident (talk) 22:11, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
- Support moving Roman Catholic to Catholic per this earlier discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:56, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
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Category:Roman Catholic television series
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- The result of the discussion was: rename. ℯxplicit 05:45, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic television series to Category:Catholic television series
- Nominator's rationale: Per below. Chicbyaccident (talk) 22:11, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
- Support moving Roman Catholic to Catholic per this earlier discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:56, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
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Category:Roman Catholic radio
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- The result of the discussion was: rename. ℯxplicit 05:45, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic radio to Category:Catholic radio
- Nominator's rationale: Per below. Chicbyaccident (talk) 22:11, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
- Support moving Roman Catholic to Catholic per this earlier discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:56, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
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Category:Roman Catholic radio programs
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- The result of the discussion was: rename. ℯxplicit 05:45, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic radio programs to Category:Catholic radio programs
- Nominator's rationale: Per below. Chicbyaccident (talk) 22:11, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
- Support moving Roman Catholic to Catholic per this earlier discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:56, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
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Category:Roman Catholic newspapers and magazines in Italy
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- The result of the discussion was: rename. ℯxplicit 05:45, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Per below. Chicbyaccident (talk) 22:11, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
- Support moving Roman Catholic to Catholic per this earlier discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:56, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
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Category:Roman Catholic newspapers and magazines in the United States
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- The result of the discussion was: rename. ℯxplicit 05:45, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Per below. Chicbyaccident (talk) 22:11, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
- Support moving Roman Catholic to Catholic per this earlier discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:57, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
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Category:Roman Catholic media
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- The result of the discussion was: rename. ℯxplicit 05:45, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Roman Catholic media to Category:Catholic media
- Nominator's rationale: WP:C2C: Category:Catholic culture, Category:Catholic Church in fiction; Category:Catholic Church. Chicbyaccident (talk) 22:11, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
- Support moving Roman Catholic to Catholic per this earlier discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:57, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
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Category:Wikipedia images of Roman Catholic coat of arms
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- The result of the discussion was: rename. ℯxplicit 05:45, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Per below. Chicbyaccident (talk) 22:11, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
- Support moving Roman Catholic to Catholic per this earlier discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:57, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
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Category:Roman Catholic personal coat of arms images
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- The result of the discussion was: rename. ℯxplicit 05:45, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: WP:C2C: Category:Catholic Church, Category:Catholic art; Category:Catholic art by subject. WP:C2D: Catholic art. Chicbyaccident (talk) 22:11, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
- Support moving Roman Catholic to Catholic per this earlier discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:57, 22 August 2018 (UTC)
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Category:Byzantine noble families
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 06:19, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: This category is founded on a misunderstanding: there was no "nobility" in Byzantium in the W. European sense, the term is misleading; and either way most of the families we know belonged to the aristocracy, meaning that its members held high positions as military officers, civil officials, or clerics. Category:Byzantine families suffices Constantine ✍ 18:19, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
- If you mean merge, please nominate as merge, not delete, unless all the content of the subject is in the target. Peterkingiron (talk) 08:16, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
- I meant delete, to preferably encompass the subcat Category:Burial sites of Byzantine noble families as well. As explained in the nom, this category is redundant and misleadingly named. Constantine ✍ 08:59, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
- Support - both the categories mentioned are empty, emptied by the nominator. However both were created by user:Westfield2015, almost certainly a sock of the banned user:Pastorwayne (suspected socks including User:WestfieldIns, User:Westfieldme, User:WestfieldWesleyan), notorious for unimaginative user names and the creation at speed of dubious categories. Oculi (talk) 20:53, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
- Support. Both could theoretically be speedied due to being emptied by the creator. -- Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 21:32, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
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Category:Ancient Greeks from Aegean Sea
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- The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Ancient Greeks by island in Greece. ℯxplicit 05:45, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Rather dubious categorization term; pretty much every city and region of note in the ancient Greek world can be described as lying at the "Aegean". Does this really make the people from these areas "Ancient Greeks from [the] Aegean Sea"? Is this a category that serves any purpose? Is a New Yorker an "American from the Atlantic Ocean", to be categorized along with the people of Lisbon, Rio de Janeiro, Havana, or Dublin? Constantine ✍ 17:43, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
- Rename -- This is a destructive nom. Most of these relate to Aegean islands. Hence Category:Ancient Greeks from Aegean islands and purge of any mainland cities. The nom's criticism would be valid if this contained Athens, Corinth, etc in mainland Greece. Peterkingiron (talk) 08:01, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
- You are missing the point. The question here is whether this makes sense as a categorization parameter. What does this actually categorize by? What is the epistemological basis for it? Who is helped by this? Who would look for such a category? Do "Ancient Greeks from Aegean islands" have attributes that are different (and specific to them) from Ancient Greeks from the coastal cities of the Aegean, or for that matter Ancient Greeks from southern Italy or the Black Sea? For that matter, how is an Aeginitan more similar to a Samian than to an Athenian? This category is nothing but "X by random geographical feature" and is textbook WP:NON-DEFINING. Constantine ✍ 08:58, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
- Rename per Peterkingiron. This category merely collects together subcats such as Category:Ancient Cretans, which has validity similar to that of Category:People from Crete. As the latter is part of Category:People by island in Greece, an alternative rename would be Category:Ancient Greeks by island in Greece. Oculi (talk) 23:34, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
- Support alt rename to Category:Ancient Greeks by island in Greece. The current name and the first proposed rename sound too much like a country subdivision which it is clearly not. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:27, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
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Medieval military history by year
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- The result of the discussion was: withdrawn. ℯxplicit 05:45, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:70 in military history to Category:70
- Propose merging Category:624 in military history to Category:624
- Propose merging Category:625 in military history to Category:625
- Propose merging Category:933 in military history to Category:933
- Propose merging Category:946 in military history to Category:946
- Propose merging Category:998 in military history to Category:998
- Propose merging Category:1000 in military history to Category:Conflicts in 1000
- Propose merging Category:1063 in military history to Category:Conflicts in 1063
- Propose merging Category:1072 in military history to Category:Conflicts in 1072
- Propose merging Category:1097 in military history to Category:Conflicts in 1097
- Propose merging Category:1111 in military history to Category:Conflicts in 1111
- Propose merging Category:1182 in military history to Category:Conflicts in 1182
- Propose merging Category:1497 in military history to Category:Conflicts in 1497
- Propose merging Category:1498 in military history to Category:Conflicts in 1498
- Propose merging Category:1499 in military history to Category:Conflicts in 1499
- Nominator's rationale: downmerge per WP:OVERLAPCAT, at least until 1500 the content of the trees of Category:Military history by year and Category:Conflicts by year nearly coincide. In the above nomination there is only one exception, the Council of Mantua (1459) is about military history but not about a conflict, so for 1459 an upmerge rather than a downmerge is proposed. Also for the years before 1000 an upmerge is proposed, since we do not have Conflicts by year categories for those earlier years.
- Keep these categories and merge conflicts into these instead as the more general category. Tim! (talk) 08:06, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
- Keep all - this is not WP:OVERLAPCAT. There is no problem whatever when a category comprises a single subcategory. Moreover these categories have not been developed: petscan readily finds a treaty and 2 other articles for Category:1459 in military history, and would no doubt work wonders on the others. Further to the lack of development there is no Category:1066 in military history but there is Category:Conflicts in 1066. This scheme needs to improved rather than partially dismantled. Moreover there are dozens of treaties such as Category:1290s treaties just sitting there awaiting categorisation in Category:XXXX in military history. Oculi (talk) 12:22, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
- Keep all. If at all conflicts should be merge to "military history" (which is wider - including formation of units, new military concepts and weapons, etc.). The military history by year is a very useful category list.Icewhiz (talk) 12:40, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
- Reverse Merge -- I do not believe that those who have commented this far have sampled the categories. We have a series of parallel category series that are covering much the same ground at remote periods of history. We do not need such multiple trees. Generally, conflicts are better populated than conflicts. I am open to merging both to a third (perhaps new) category, if a better suggestion is made. Generally, the military history contains little but the conflicts subcat. These thin thread small categories do not aid navigation. Peterkingiron (talk) 08:12, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
- Withdraw nomination, while I see the merits of a reverse merge as suggested by User:Tim! and per excellent comments of User:Peterkingiron, a reverse merge requires a completely different set of categories to be nominated. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:05, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
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