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keep as is Populate the category instead of spending time renaming. And its parents and all their childen should be renamed to Category:Port cities and towns ... to facilitate their proper population and prevent a set of parallel categories for port cities and port towns. Hmains (talk) 03:11, 19 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as is - I'm inclined to agree with Hmains. From a quick look thru the larger category tree, I'd say that about 2/3 of the existing categories already take the form of "Port cities and towns". Cgingold (talk) 23:40, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as is, certainly for now. More comprehensive changes to the entire hierarchy may be proposed later. There has already been extensive discussion and strife in this area, so a one-category change without taking the fuller picture into account is ill-advised. __meco (talk) 06:34, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well, we changed the top levels. It is not possible to do a mass nomination from the bottom up since you need to look at every single article. So that means doing a few categories at a time. This is not going to be a quick process. Requiring bulk nominations will slow down the process. But if that is the consensus, we will have to make it work somehow. One other option is to go up an extra level or two where these are under Category:Port settlements, so would Category:Port settlements of the Arabian Sea be a good compromise? Vegaswikian (talk) 18:50, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Mad Men (TV series) --> Category:Mad Men episodes
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Modified support I agree absolutely that there should be an episode category, I think the only reason there isnt's is that articles on individual episodes is a relatively new phenomenon. However, rather than renaming the category, it would be better to create Category:Mad Men episodes, then keep this category (without the disambiguation) as an overarching category for episodes, characters, the episode list, the lead article, and other related pages (see Category:Lost (TV series) for example). It should be noted that Category:Mad Men was previously deleted, but this was back in 2007 when there were fewer articles and the show was less notable. From the discussion it seems that category was only used as an image repository for underdeveloped articles back then. Lampman (talk) 02:01, 31 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Trinity College (Connecticut) alumni
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Nominator's rationale:Rename. The parent article is Trinity College, Hartford and there appears no reason not to have the category title match that of the parent article. The discrepancy is a barrier to editors and readers hoping to find the category from an article. Alansohn (talk) 20:12, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Expatriate football managers in Africa
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Contents is entirely duplicated in all of the various sub-categories under each country. Category should be removed from all the articles listed. --Falcadore (talk) 14:26, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – I agree (the category should be removed from all articles which appear in subcats). Also the inclusion criteria "Non-African football managers who have worked as a manager or coach for an African team, regardless of country" are bizarre - an Egyptian working in Nigeria (say) is an expatriate. Occuli (talk) 20:02, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Clarion Writers' Workshop
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Nominator's rationale:Delete - trivial fact – they attended a small workshop for sci-fi writers – that tells you nothing about them. No need to listify and articles already have much more useful lists.--JohnBlackburnewordsdeeds10:18, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. The difference between Clarion (which is a 6-week program) and Iowa (which is a 2-year program leading to an MFA degree) is significant. The latter has parallels to our college alumni categories, while the former does not.--Mike Selinker (talk) 14:52, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Yes, the Iowa comparison is poor. However, this is still perhaps the most serious and intensive speculative fiction incubator in the field. A full-time six-week program is not a small workshop. The Clarion West Writers Workshop article is better than the Clarion Workshop one, and gives a better sense of its scope and history. A very large number of serious speculative literature figures have come through the Clarion workshops. Artemis-Arethusa (talk) 15:00, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Clarion is a long-running and successful program with two branches in the US and one in Australia. Authors who have gone through Clarion refer to the experience throughout their career and have often talked about learning to write in a manner which indicates similarities of technique, even if there are not similarities of style or theme in their writing. Shsilver (talk) 15:49, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Clarion veterans come out of it with a certain air of esprit de corps that is significant, and of note within the history of the field. I will also point out to the original nominator that a significant portion of the science fiction community considers the term "sci-fi" a pejorative, and its use revelatory of an attitude of contempt towards the genre and its practitioners. --Orange Mike | Talk19:30, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I assure there is no such attitude on my part, and I've never come across it in a pejorative sense – it's just a common abbreviation of science fiction, so widely used it's almost interchangeable with it, and not likely to be confused as e.g. "SF" could be. In particular I can't imagine it would be used to name major TV channels if it were widely considered negative.--JohnBlackburnewordsdeeds19:55, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
You would be amazed. And it is within the community that the term is regarded as an insult. Those outside don't even seem to notice, and this includes network executives, who are a part of the Hollywood community, not the community of whatever happens to be the theme of their network. I believe the person above was giving you a gentle heads-up. Please recall, many offensive terms have been common. Artemis-Arethusa (talk) 20:11, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
That major TV channel (now known colloquially as the SyFyllis channel) is run by "the suits": exactly those who display the most blatant attitude of contempt towards the genre and its practitioners; that's why there is almost no actual SF on the channel any more, not even in the limited sense in which most television "science fiction" can be deemed science fiction. Instead, it's a hideous blend of wrestling, ersatz "reality" occultism, and monster movies. --Orange Mike | Talk04:25, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Indian submissions for the Academy Award for Best Foreign Language Film
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Category:Dungeon graduates
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Nominator's rationale:Delete - non-defining of the people in the category. Per Chris Jericho's autobiography, "membership" in the "Dungeon" was open to anyone who ponied up a couple thousand dollars and showed up. There was no "Dungeon"; the "Dungeon" was promotional hype drummed up by the Hart family wrestlers for a payday. Are You The Cow Of Pain? (talk) 06:01, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep A lot of former WWE/WWF/WWWF/WCW/ECW/NWA/AWA/World Heavyweight Champions and legendary wrestlers have went through the Dungeon. During its heyday, it was one of the most sought after places to train and it was in one of the toughest territories in the North America or the world. The Dungeon was the nickname of the basement in the former Hart Family house where they trained. Mr. C.C.Hey yo!I didn't do it!15:30, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, a lot of future champions trained at the Hart camp, which was not in the Hart's basement and for a decent portion of its existence had no affiliation with the Harts at all other than their name. So did a lot of people who paid the entrance fee and never accomplished anything in the world of wrestling. Not that this is dispositive but in all the years I watched wrestling I never once heard an announcer say that a wrestler was a "Dungeon graduate". Are You The Cow Of Pain? (talk) 00:42, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Actually, they have made reference to people whether it be in TNA or WWE that they've trained in the Dungeon. They've made numerous references in the WWE that TJ Wilson is a Dungeon graduate. Whether he is the last one is debatable. Mr. C.C.Hey yo!I didn't do it!14:44, 28 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:The Movement albums
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Category:Railway cuttings in the United States
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The result of the discussion was:rename. Whether the category should use "railway" or "railroad" can be dealt with in a future nomination. — ξxplicit08:56, 6 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale:Rename. To better match the name of the main article. I have not proposed moving the British one since I think that is a US/UK difference. Vegaswikian (talk) 00:59, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: It seems that "railway" may have been more predominant in U.S. usage than "railroad" originally, I think (i.e. many of the older railway companies in the U.S., it seems, used "railway" in their names, instead of "railroad" (e.g. Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe Railway)). However, I think the usage of "railway" instead of "railroad" here in the U.S. may possibly be more of a personal preference, actually. [|Retro00064|☎talk|✍contribs|] 01:52, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Road cuttings
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change some other way this is not just a rename it is a merge. Railway and road categories should be kept separate so they can fit into their railway and road parents. Hmains (talk) 01:28, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
In thinking about this, I'm not in favor of keeping the split for the reason raised. In the end it affects a total of 2 articles which can be manually modified if needed. All of the subcategories already roll up into transportation type specific categories on their own so loosing that information at this level should not be a big deal. One of the articles is also in the more specific infrastructure category and the other is in a transport category. Vegaswikian (talk) 22:33, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose This is the normal UK terminology. A "cut" is slang for a canal, which may be described perjoratively as a "dirty cut", probably with the implication that it smells becuase the water is stagnant. Peterkingiron (talk) 22:58, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
[Weak?] Oppose (I guess): I would have said Support (the categories are pretty vacant... :-), but per Peterkingiron's comment above, I guess I'll have to say Oppose. Even though I'm an American, we've got to respect the way people in other countries talk. Also, in my humble opinion, the word "cutting" seems to be/sounds more correct than "cut". [|Retro00064|☎talk|✍contribs|] 01:37, 4 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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