Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of radio presenters

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. After much-extended time for discussion, there is a consensus to delete this article. Those who support the inclusion of material of this nature might be advised to work in draftspace on smaller-scale lists of radio presenters in specific regions or genres, or by other delineations that can be identified and sourced, per WP:LISTN. If a number of those are created, a master Lists of radio presenters would be appropriate. BD2412 T 20:21, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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List with too broad a scope to be maintainable. Lists of radio personalities by individual country would be fine (and some, e.g. List of Canadian radio personalities, already exist), so no prejudice against the creation of smaller, more narrowly and manageably defined lists if people want to tackle that -- but a single transnational list, encompassing 200 world countries with potentially tens of thousands of people to include in such a list, is a maintenance nightmare. Bearcat (talk) 00:41, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists of people-related deletion discussions. Bearcat (talk) 00:41, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Radio-related deletion discussions. Bearcat (talk) 00:41, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Journalism-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 01:42, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• For the sake of sanity, DELETE. Forget countries: a list of every announcer and DJ in Maryland alone is probably well over a thousand entries. There's probably close to a hundred active in DC, never mind those dead or who moved on to other careers. This is bordering on indiscriminate. The current minimal American list also shows the likelihood that even if limited to people with articles, most of them are still most famous for something else (generally TV). This is a terrible idea. Mangoe (talk) 01:50, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as unmaintainable. Geschichte (talk) 10:40, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• My instinct is to turn this into a list of lists, but we have fewer lists than I thought. I was considering creating a new list, but a question: is there a meaningful difference between radio presenters, DJs, personalities, and hosts? I know there are slight differences, but from a category/list perspective it seems like there's a lot of overlap. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 14:56, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • That would be my suggestion as well - to turn the page into a list of lists by country. Rillington (talk) 15:33, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep and only include notable presenters otherwise it would be indiscriminate. It can be split into to lists by country, so if there are countries with too few notable presenters for separate lists, those presenters would be in this list. Peter James (talk) 18:54, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  That would still leave the list with thousands upon thousands of potential entries, and thus not solve the problem to anything like the degree you think. Bearcat (talk) 12:33, 9 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • If split by country and not by anything else, the longest list will be American presenters as the category contains 941 pages (937 articles and four redirects); that is fewer entries than the list of 2021 albums. If there is no objection to lists by country, there can be a list of lists. The only difference between the current page and a list of lists would be that a list of lists would exclude presenters from countries with too few notable presenters for separate lists. Peter James (talk) 13:34, 9 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep: Per Peter James. Only notable personalities sould be included per WP:LISTPEOPLE. If a certain country has hundreds of notable personalities, a separate list can be created. ASTIG😎 _{(ICE T • ICE CUBE)} 16:00, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 02:40, 14 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • That has been addressed already. Peter James (talk) 20:03, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete- For the list to be complete there would be thousands, if not tens of thousands of entries, making it way too broad to maintain.--Rusf10 (talk) 20:07, 15 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • It isn't intended to be complete, just like lists of people or companies by city are not intended to list all people or companies. Peter James (talk) 20:03, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • So what is the criteria? Because it is not defined anywhere on the article page.--Rusf10 (talk) 20:13, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
      • The same as for the categories, although redirects, if the reason is lack of notability, would not qualify for inclusion in the list. It can be split, with separate pages by country, such as List of Canadian radio personalities. Any countries with too few articles for a separate list would be included in the main list. If you still support deletion would you also support deletion of List of Canadian radio personalities? Peter James (talk) 22:19, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Even if this could be maintained, there is already a category Radio presenters which lists the WP:NOTABLE ones. And while categories and lists are not mutually exclusive (WP:NOTDUP), the list in its current format is nothing more than a raw listing of names without any additional information, and so provides no additional benefit, only the need for maintenance. Avilich (talk) 22:16, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions#Surmountable problems. Peter James (talk) 22:19, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• It's not clear that this is even a problem or needs to be surmounted at all. There's no indication in the article or here of what, if anything, should be included. In any case, additional information alongside tons of entries with unclear inclusion criteria makes maintenance that much more difficult. Avilich (talk) 22:41, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep All the delete !votes are based on a slippery slope argument about a potential problem of including non-notable presenters, which is preventable. The full Category:Radio presenters contains 4332 articles, which is manageable if the countries with the most entries are split post hoc. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 21:20, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• There's nothing slippery slope ish about the above arguments. Maintainability and notability criteria are real and legitimate concerns, and the category takes care of both simultaneously: it maintains itself and the notability criteria will be identical to wp:gng. Simply saying it's 'preventable' does not address those problems. Avilich (talk) 17:24, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete As per nom (yes, I have considered the points raised in favour of keeping the article). MrsSnoozyTurtle 08:30, 29 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete I think the category Category:Radio presenters covers the subject adequately, and there are sub-categories for different nationalities. I do not feel that this list adds any value to Wikipedia. PhantomSteve/talk¦contribs\ 12:42, 31 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.