Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Beavis and Butt-Head characters

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎. Nomination withdrawn. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:55, 18 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

List of Beavis and Butt-Head characters

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I don't think the idea of a list of B&B characters is inherently a bad idea. However, the overwhelming size of the list (WP:NOTINDISCRIMINATE) along with the lack of verification and reliable sources (WP:V) for many of the characters listed is of concern to me. I think an ideal way of doing this type of list would be similar to how List of The Simpsons characters handles it, but to get there would require a massive undertaking. I think a better idea would be to just start from scratch per WP:TNT.

~~I did post my concerns on the talk page of this article but didn't get a response after about a week.~~ Cheerio, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 12:44, 16 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Fictional elements, Television, Comics and animation, Lists, and United States of America. Cheerio, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 12:44, 16 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not a Beavis and Butthead fan, but I agree with the nominator's rationale of TNT. There are so many characters listed that I sincerely doubt all of them need to be in this list. That being said, I'll vote Weak Keep so long as the article gets cleanup, but this should preferably be done by someone with more familiarity with the franchise than me. Pokelego999 (talk) 15:19, 16 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Agree 100% with this take. It's a reasonable page that needs a lot of work. Vote weak keep as well. WilsonP NYC (talk) 17:12, 16 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep nothing weak about it: deletion is not a solution for articles that suck, that's what editing--including deletion of specific content within the article that is useless or inappropriate--is for. Deletion is for things where no article should exist OR in the exceptional case where editing cannot fix the problems. Neither of those applies here. Jclemens (talk) 18:32, 16 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Where to start with editing it though? In my opinion, any list would need to include recurring characters from the show at the minimum, but all of the added detail and the guest appearances to me seems an unnecessary addition, as well as all the exposition and WP:OR. I mean, it is a massive undertaking. I think we are talking about basically overhauling the entire article anyway regardless of if this gets kept. Cheerio, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 20:21, 16 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
And...? BoomboxTestarossa (talk) 23:07, 16 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Do you have something to say? Cheerio, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 23:54, 16 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It's irrelevant now it's been withdrawn, but "overhauling the entire article" and it being "a massive undertaking" are not reasons for deletion. They're challenges. BoomboxTestarossa (talk) 21:14, 17 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep needs to be edited properly, not deleted. BoomboxTestarossa (talk) 23:08, 16 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Deletion is not cleanup. TNT might apply when something is just completely, totally, and utterly unsalvageable, which is not the case here. It just needs some added context. Not having the ability to clean it up yourself does not mean it's impossible to do so. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 23:37, 16 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per above, many existing articles are poorly sourced and written. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:33, 17 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Withdrawn, I learned something today. I'll take a stab at fixing the article, although again, admittedly I'm not sure what can be done other than chopping off a huge portion of it. Cheerio, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 12:14, 17 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
With the caveat I know SFA about Beavis & Butthead... Suggestion would be to pick a threshold for appearances (3 episodes? 5?) and slice off anyone who doesn't meet it (they can always be recovered from page history if someone argues they're significant). There's also a fair bit of OR in there, e.g. " A parody of fitness guru Tony Little (Take a Lap)" that arguably either needs citing or chopping. It's questionable whether "Dating Service Manager" for example is even really a character. There are a lot of quotes in there, a few of which just seem to be favourite gags of whoever wrote them. BoomboxTestarossa (talk) 21:23, 17 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.