Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Krissia Beatty

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The result was delete. Sarahj2107 (talk) 09:36, 28 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Beatty is only really notable for being Miss Utah, and this is not enough to establish notability. The coverage up until she won Miss Utah is all local coverage from St. George and southern Utah. The Deseret News article on her win makes about as much mention of other contestants. I did find an article from Today.com about her being at one point diagnosed as never being able to walk, but even if that is a reliable source (I don't know) it is not enough to suggest notability. John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:26, 22 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Utah-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 03:26, 26 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Beauty pageants-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 03:26, 26 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: This took a while to investigate because there are 20 references, the article is by far laid out better than many of the other like articles with far more content, appearing to satisfy notability requirements. However, in looking at the references, the majority being local coverage, there is still a problem with the subjects notability. Many of the references are run-of-the-mill, local, or a primary source and I looked at all of them. 1)- "It's in the family - Five women in family named Miss Washington County" (The Spectrum: About her family ), 2)- "There is Something for Everyone at the Washington County Fair" (The Independent: About all of us; 404 error or Dead link ), 3)- "Krissia Beatty, Miss Washington County Finalist in Miss Utah Pageant" (KCSG: Finalist in Miss Utah pageant), 4)- "State Contestants: Utah - 2012" (Miss America: Primary source and a Dead link), 5)- "Miss Dixie Crown Passed To Krissia Beatty" (Dixie State University: Primary source), 6)- "State Contestants: Utah - 2013" (Miss America: Primary source and 404 error; dead link), 7)- "Ciera Pekarcik crowned Miss Utah 2013 at Capitol Theatre Saturday" (Deseret News: About Miss Utah 2013 Ciera Pekarcik and pageants in general and not about the subject), 8)- "State Contestants: Utah - 2014" (Miss America: Primary and dead link), 9)- Miss Nebo 2014 ( Miss America: Primary source, not significant), 10- "Miss Nebo Krissia Beatty crowned as Miss Utah 2015 Saturday" (Deseret News: Miss Nebo again), 11)- "Miss Utah 2015, Krissia Beatty" (Miss Utah pageant, a primary source), 12)- "Krissia Beatty, Miss Nebo Crowned New Miss Utah 2015" (Gephardt Daily: Crowned Miss Utah), 13)- "Miss Nebo Krissia Beatty crowned Miss Utah" (KSL-TV: Miss Nebo crowned Miss Utah), 14)- "Miss Nebo Krissia Beatty crowned Miss Utah 2015" (Daily Herald: Miss Nebo crowned Miss Utah), 15)- "Miss Nebo Krissia Beatty crowned Miss Utah" (The Washington Times: Miss Nebo crowned Miss Utah), 16)- "State Contestants: Utah - 2015" (Miss America: Primary source and dead link), 17)- "DSU student Krissia Beatty crowned Miss Utah" (The Spectrum: Miss Utah), 18)- (Daily Herald: Utah County contestants in general), 19)- "Miss America Show Scholarships 2016" (Miss America: Not about the subject just Scholarships in general), 20- "The 2016 Miss America Competition Scholarships & Awards" (Miss America: Primary source and 404 error page, Dead link.)
  • Conclusion: With all the references Krissia Beatty won Miss Utah and did not place in the Miss America 2016 pageant. The majority of the references are a collection of news reports, primary sources (those that are not dead links), and are predominantly related to the single event of Miss Utah that is just not enough for article inclusion. Otr500 (talk) 14:04, 30 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• If the problem is "just not enough", the evidence from WP:BEFORE D1 is missing.  And given the assertion that this is a WP:SINGLEEVENT, where is the analysis of the WP:ATD?  Unscintillating (talk) 12:48, 6 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete a WP:PSEUDO BLP which is typical of such articles which are routinely deleted. K.e.coffman (talk) 01:27, 1 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment  Besides being an essay, WP:PSEUDO is not a deletion argument.  Unscintillating (talk) 12:48, 6 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep  There are no problems with this well-written article that need the attention of AfD.  Encyclopedic coverage of topics such as this one is at the heart of the reason that Wikipedia exists, to be the sum of human knowledge.  Unscintillating (talk) 12:48, 6 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment  It is easy to find more sources, I clicked on one article and found:

"Beatty received a celebratory send-off in St. George Aug. 22...in the Gardner Center Ballroom on the DSU campus."

"The first Miss Utah ever from Southern Utah..."

Unscintillating (talk) 12:48, 6 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment The suggested added source is another local, southern-Utah source that is a reaction to the one win. We either need coverage far outside of her local area or extended coverage over more time to justify having this article.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:44, 11 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Is Krissia Beatty a corporation subject to WP:AUD?  The answer is "no".  Who is "we"?  The answer is that this "We" is not editors making policy-based arguments.  Unscintillating (talk) 13:35, 19 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• In researching the excellent workmanship in this article, I see that the nominator has not posted a notice of this AfD on the article creator's page.  Further, the AfD notice itself has no edit comment, diff.  Unscintillating (talk) 13:35, 19 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Did the sources become dead links after the nomination?  Otherwise, why were they not marked as dead links at the time of the nomination?  Unscintillating (talk) 13:35, 19 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• The nomination says that it doesn't know if [1] from today.com is a reliable source.  A Wikipedia search for "today.com" shows that the term is a redirect to Today (U.S. TV program), which says:

Today (stylized as TODAY), also called The Today Show, is an American news and talk morning television show that airs on NBC. The program debuted on January 14, 1952. It was the first of its genre on American television and in the world, and is the fifth-longest-running American television series. Originally a two-hour program on weekdays, it expanded to Sundays (a one-hour program) in 1987 and Saturdays (running for two hours) in 1992. The weekday broadcast expanded to three hours in 2000, and to four hours in 2007.

Unscintillating (talk) 13:35, 19 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Comments -- sources offered or available do not establish the subject's notability as do not address the subject directly and in detail; local coverage is not sufficient for notability. K.e.coffman (talk) 08:15, 19 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment  Here are the sources from the article that are not obviously press releases or primary sources:

1. Kausar, Nur (July 21, 2011). "It's in the family - Five women in family named Miss Washington County". The Spectrum. St. George, UT: Gannett. Retrieved July 29, 2015.
2. "There is Something for Everyone at the Washington County Fair". The Independent. St. George, UT: Independent Publishing Company. August 7, 2011. Retrieved July 29, 2015.^{[dead link]}
3. Lundeberg, Justi (June 27, 2012). "Krissia Beatty, Miss Washington County Finalist in Miss Utah Pageant". Cedar City, UT: KCSG. Retrieved July 29, 2015.
4. Jensen, Kaitlen (October 26, 2012). "Miss Dixie Crown Passed To Krissia Beatty". Dixie Sun News. St. George, UT: Dixie State University. Retrieved July 29, 2015.
5. Hicken, Jackie (June 23, 2013). "Ciera Pekarcik crowned Miss Utah 2013 at Capitol Theatre Saturday". Deseret News. Salt Lake City, UT: Deseret Management Corporation. Retrieved July 29, 2015.
6. "Miss Nebo Krissia Beatty crowned as Miss Utah 2015 Saturday". Deseret News. Salt Lake City, UT: Deseret Management Corporation. June 20, 2015. Retrieved July 29, 2015.
7. Benedict, Patrick (June 21, 2015). "Krissia Beatty, Miss Nebo Crowned New Miss Utah 2015". Gephardt Daily. Salt Lake City, UT. Retrieved July 29, 2015.
8. "Miss Nebo Krissia Beatty crowned Miss Utah 2015". Daily Herald. Provo, UT: Lee Enterprises. June 21, 2015. Retrieved July 29, 2015.
9. Allred, Cathy (June 21, 2015). "Utah County contestants dominate Miss Utah Scholarship Pageant 2015". Daily Herald. Provo, UT: Lee Enterprises. Retrieved July 29, 2015.
10. "Miss Nebo Krissia Beatty crowned Miss Utah". Salt Lake City, UT: KSL-TV. Associated Press. June 21, 2015. Retrieved July 29, 2015.
11. "DSU student Krissia Beatty crowned Miss Utah". The Spectrum. St. George, UT: Gannett. June 21, 2015. Retrieved July 29, 2015.
12. "Miss Nebo Krissia Beatty crowned Miss Utah". The Washington Times. Washington, D.C. Associated Press. June 21, 2015. Retrieved July 29, 2015.

For 8 out of 12 of these articles, the words "Krissia Beatty" are part of the title of the article.

Unscintillating (talk) 13:35, 19 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment And the sources offered are still almost all Utah sources covering the event. None of the sources suggest this is more than routine one-event coverage, nothing approaching sustained coverage we need to pass the general notability guidelines.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:10, 20 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Where does it say that that we ignore Utah sources in WP:GNG?  Answer: it doesn't.  Unscintillating (talk) 19:10, 20 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
• If WP:N notability were really the issue, a resolution could come with mini-bios that don't require notability.  When the solution is said to be WP:DEL8, the claiming of lack of notability ignores WP:ATD, so is not policy-based reasoning.  Unscintillating (talk) 19:10, 20 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. As noted, coverage is predominantly local, making the Miss Utah win a one-event issue.  Sandstein  12:32, 27 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Then why the "delete" in bold, when you've made an argument to merge?  If you read the paragraph just above, it says, "If WP:N notability were really the issue, a resolution could come with mini-bios that don't require notability.  When the solution is said to be WP:DEL8, the claiming of lack of notability ignores WP:ATD, so is not policy-based reasoning."  Unscintillating (talk) 17:14, 27 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete as we've amounted a considerable amount of these AfDs closed as Delete simply because all there is, is participation in those pageants which is not inherited independent notability thus delete. SwisterTwister talk 18:54, 27 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• @SwisterTwister: Please explain your analysis of the policy WP:ATD.  WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is an essay.  Unscintillating (talk) 19:07, 27 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.