Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Court Square Place (2nd nomination)

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The result was delete. Sandstein 10:05, 21 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Court Square Place

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Original discussion was closed as "no consensus" in 2006. I think it's time to revisit this. Two local-interest newspaper articles at the time the building was built, with nothing since and nothing outside the New York Area, does not constitute encyclopedic notability.

As a side note, "tallest building constructed in the area since 1989" is one of the most meaningless claims to notability I've ever seen; if that constituted notability we'd have an article on every McMansion in every county in the US. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 22:46, 13 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions. ^{cinco de}L3X1 ◊distænt write◊ 00:45, 14 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete WP:ROTM. Not notable considering the context of it being in New York City. Would be notable if it were some town in the middle of Kansas. Acnetj (talk) 01:28, 14 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree. It is in Long Island City, not Manhattan.

~~Keep~~ This building is very historic being the tallest building in the area (Long Island City, not Manhattan) for many years, just as the Key Tower in Seattle or the Russ Building in San Francisco. The article does need re-write and could use a photo. However, that doesn't mean that it should be deleted because it's not in the best possible shape. Keep in mind that Wikipedia allows football player articles even if they only played one or two games or if someone played just one game of the Yugoslav Basketball League so the tallest building in Long Island City for many years is not unreasonable. Cowdung Soup (talk) 03:15, 14 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Do you have any actual in-depth independent sources that might verify that this is a historically notable building in the context of WP:GNG or WP:N? I could care less about the state of the article; if I'd found any sources worth using I would've added them to the article instead of AfDing it, but I didn't. "Tallest building in the area" is totally meaningless as a claim to notability unless there's some independent sources that discuss that as being a notable quality. Your examples, Key Tower and the Russ Building, both have reliable sources that demonstrate their notability in that context. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 04:03, 14 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment There seems to be some confusion. The Citicorp Tower (One Court Square) across the street is taller and older. That building is not in dispute. The one in dispute is built in 2006 and is shorter and far less remarkable. So it is not historic by any means, or that it was ever the tallest in the area. Acnetj (talk) 10:03, 14 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree with the facts but agree with the conclusion. I mistakenly thought this building was the old building which used to be tall for the neighborhood (but would be short in 2018). That building was torn down and probably replaced by Court Square Place. That building may have been the tallest building in the area until 1989, then surpassed by the huge 50 story Citicorp building. It was torn down and the 16 story building built. If information can be found on that old building, it is likely article material but the replacement described in this article is nothing special (and would be a delete vote, in my opinion). I have stricken my original "keep" vote, above). Cowdung Soup (talk) 02:53, 15 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Architecture-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 11:30, 15 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per above. Nothing to establish notability. WP:MILL 16-story building in greater NYC. MB 02:52, 18 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - this building was a pioneer in an area previously low-scale and is now high-scale. Bearian (talk) 16:20, 20 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have any sources to substantiate this. There are two sources in the article, the first sounds like a press release and the second is a NYTimes search which is a collection of articles that seem to have minor mention of this building only. Not enough the WP:GNG MB 19:49, 20 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete not enough coverage to pass [[WP:GNG]. wikitigresito (talk) 06:52, 21 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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