Talk:Open-mid front rounded vowel

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Is RP/australian 'fern' and 'burn' the vowel œ? It's certainly close to ö in german.

Close, the vowel in 'fern' is [ɜ], which is very similar to [œ], but central rather than front, and unrounded rather than rounded. Nohat 05:25, 5 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

In The Phonology of Norwegian by Gjert Kristoffersen the word løse is transcribed as ['lø:sə], and as far as I know it would rhyme with høne since I'm not aware of any lowering of /ø:/ before /n/. Could someone who actually speaks (Eastern) Norwegian confirm whether the vowels in these two words are different or not?

Also, as far as I can tell from Sprog & lyd: Elementær dansk fonetik by Steffen Heger, the Danish example is also an [ø]. Similar to most Swedish dialects, [œ] seems to be an allophone of /ø:/ that is occurs before /r/.

Peter Isotalo 22:10, 13 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I speak with a dialect that I believe is close to the "standard" Norwegian bokmål dialect, and I pronounce the ø in løse and the ø in høne exactly the same. --Quadduc 22:00, 1 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Why exactly do [ø] and [œ] seem to sound like American English r. They are articulated in two totally different ways. "R" is a rhotacized schwa, whereas the other two are rounded front vowels. Linguofreak 21:32, 22 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
@Linguofreak: [œ] is acoustically very close to the schwa. In fact, it's the closest cardinal vowel to it (according to Hans Basbøll, and I agree with him). Kbb2 (ex. Mr KEBAB) (talk) 12:14, 10 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Dutch deur

The example from Dutch 'deur' sounds like ø to me, not œ.


I just removed it. I think the sound sample of 'œ' on the page is wrong. It sounds like 'ø'.

Babelut 16:49, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sound Sample

It blatantly wrong. It is an 'ø'. The sound sample given for ø is a better realization of œ though it isn't very good either.Berndf (talk) 22:27, 15 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I just noticed the same thing. The sound samples for /ø/ ("close-mid front rounded vowel") and /œ/ ("open-mid front rounded vowel") seem to have been mixed. The sound sample for /ø/ sounds more like an /œ/ and the sound sample for /œ/ sounds like an /ø/, at least in the sense that the former is more open than the latter. At least one person has reported the same thing on the talk page of the close-mid front rounded vowel's article. 66.131.78.52 (talk) 04:50, 23 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Mandarin Chinese

Should the row with Mandarin Chinese have been removed? I didn't see its removal noted in the history, and it's still listed with this vowel on the Chinese version of the page and on other websites. And just intuitively, as a native speaker, it seems to me like yue is pronounced with this vowel. Just asking in case anyone's listening. Airrodanthefirst (talk) 07:22, 24 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Voice sample

The current voice sample sounds like a tired teenager (no offence). There is no true perfect voice sample available that i can find, the two best i have being (number 2, 3):

  • Current file for comparison, the tired teenager.
  • Previous file under the previous file name, reuploaded by me since i couldnt write over the tired teenager.
  • My version, a native Swedish speaker, with trash equipment and poor understanding of what the sound truly should be.

Nardog, i cannot figure out how to replace the tired teenager, which wikidata object is it taken from? Blockhaj (talk) 07:49, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've restored Denelson83's in Module:IPA symbol/data, which is where the infobox gets it from. The file shouldn't have been overwritten in the first place, but it's been more than a decade so reverting it now doesn't seem appropriate. JøMa's sounds too low, and they might have mistaken it for [ɶ] given the summary ("this one is really open"). Yours starts out good but sounds diphthongized at the end FWIW. Nardog (talk) 08:24, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you have the ability to edit mine, could you cut down my version to be correct? Blockhaj (talk) 09:38, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That would probably be too short and unnatural-sounding. Nardog (talk) 06:02, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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