Talk:Garden State Parkway

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Lately, a lot of poor quality changes have been made on this and similar articles, and the continued restoration of those changes to this article is bordering on vandalism. To wit:

1. The straight-line diagrams give the appropriate measurements to two decimal places. We should not be truncating these figures to a single decimal place. This impacts the length in the infobox and all of the mileposts in the exit list. This change is borderline vandalism, especially since the truncated numbers aren't even rounded off, just truncated.
2. The first time a highway of a given classification is named in the text, its designation should be spelled out in full and that should then be followed by the abbreviation. Thus, when we mention U.S. Route 1 in New Jersey for the first time, that link should be piped to display "U.S. Route 1", and then that link should be followed by "(US 1)". We cannot and should not assume that our readers will know that US 1 = U.S. Route 1. Ditto the first time we mention an Interstate Highway or a county route in the text: Spell out the name in full and then give the abbreviation. After that, the abbreviations can be used consistently.
3. We give a link to New Jersey Turnpike Authority in the infobox under the "Maintained by" label. That's why we need to both spell out the first usage in the text and give the abbreviation. Once that abbreviation is given, we can then just use "NJTA" consistently in the text thereafter.
   • Since NJDOT is mentioned several times in the text, and because it has a standardized abbreviation in common use, we should spell the department name out in full just once and abbreviate it in the text thereafter.
4. [[Parkway|parkway]] and [[parkway]] are equivalent. Using the latter is clearer in the wiki code. Please stop redoing links to the capital letter version piped to the lower case.
5. In the exit list, we base our information off the signage on the highway. We do not copy the styling of the text from the signs. Highway agencies have different needs in displaying text on signs than an encyclopedia. Thus, we should not abbreviate the names of locations. [[North Cape May, New Jersey|N Cape May]] is not helpful to our readers. Please leave this rendered as the actual name of "North Cape May". We don't have the space limitations of a sign to consider.

• 1. This also applies to things like [[George Washington Bridge|G Washington Br]]. We aren't saving that much space, so the full name is fine.

1. MOS:CAPS is clear: we do not use ALL CAPS on Wikipedia. I don't care what the NJTA or NJDOT do, we do not do that here. Additionally, per MOS:COMPASS, we only capitalize a direction if it's part of a proper name. Thus "North Cape May" is correct, but "signed as exits 4A (SOUTH) and 4B (NORTH) southbound" is improper per our MOS.
2. Per various style guides, we should only abbreviate street name suffixes when part of an address. Otherwise, we should spell them out when referring the street as a whole. Again, we don't care what a highway agency does on the sign for styling. So "Shell Bay Ave" should be "Shell Bay Avenue".
3. An exit number is not a proper name. Sorry New Jerseyans, but American English is pretty clear on this one. Unless it starts the beginning of a line or sentence, it's "exits 7S-N on Atlantic City Expressway".
   • Also, it's clearer to use "on" to refer to the intersecting highway than to put it in parentheses. Otherwise it's not always clear as that the number in the notes refers to the other highway.

Continuing to restore these edits will be considered vandalism in the future, and should it continue, the affected articles may end up subject to protection from editing. Imzadi 1979 → 23:35, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Is my edit considered vandalism by you? 172.59.208.129 (talk) 17:43, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

why did you revert my edits? I added missing information about 20th century interchange upgrades. 172.59.208.129 (talk) 18:52, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There were a lot of issues with those edits: misspellings, massive rearrangements of text, bare URLs, bad link formatting, etc. I'm curious... was that content copied from another wiki at all? if so, we need to supply proper attribution or we are breaking the CC license and copyright law. Imzadi 1979 → 19:27, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

yes. I did copy them from the AAroads wiki, which i know you contribute with. But the thing is, they copied what i wrote here but improved it, so its not technically theirs. I don't care about copyright though, so it doesn't really matter. 172.59.208.129 (talk) 19:50, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm... figured that, so we need to place a notice here to comply with all of the legalistic requirements. Imzadi 1979 → 19:52, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it really does matter though. Copyright, licensing and attribution are all very important. Imzadi 1979 → 19:58, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

no. I edited this page a while ago and added a lot of content. The edits i made today are not what im talking about. They took paragraphs and improved it in their wiki, which is fine. this was me. 172.59.208.129 (talk) 20:03, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps there needs to be an article for History of the Garden State Parkway, which could cover information on individual interchanges? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 19:19, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think we need to do that. Perhaps there's information that needs to be summarized and distilled to avoid WP:DUE issues though. Imzadi 1979 → 19:28, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yea, we should. 172.59.215.77 (talk) 17:38, 11 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Looking at things again, we definitely should break the History section into a few more subsections though. Imzadi 1979 → 19:30, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

i added information. 172.59.210.195 (talk) 18:44, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]