Talk:David Gilbert (snooker player)
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David Gilbert (snooker player) → David Gilbert (snooker player, born 1981) – WP:PDAB; see Dave Gilbert (snooker player, born 1961). 162 etc. (talk) 06:29, 2 December 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. —CX Zoom[he/him] (let's talk • {C•X}) 16:51, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose - this David Gilbert is by far the primary topic for snooker players. A World Championship semi-finalist against someone who never reached a quarter-final in any event. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 07:33, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 19:31, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
- Weak support the 1981 one has 4,411 views compard with 230[[1]] for the 1961 one which migh not be enough for a PDAB. Crouch, Swale (talk) 20:34, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nomination, Ortizesp and Crouch, Swale. Since Dave Gilbert redirects to the David Gilbert dab page, the two name variations are basically the same. The incomplete disambiguation David Gilbert (snooker player) should redirect to the David Gilbert#Sports dab page. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 22:27, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom. Theparties (talk) 13:15, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose - It ain't broke, so don't fix it. Alan (talk) 11:35, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per Lee Vilenski. Andygray110 (talk) 17:01, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- Relisting comment: More opinions? —CX Zoom[he/him] (let's talk • {C•X}) 16:51, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per WP:SMALLDIFFS and far more importantly per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. This article gets over 30 x the pageviews of the other. The hatnote is sufficient in this WP:ONEOTHER situation. Station1 (talk) 20:47, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- WP:PRIMARYTOPIC would mean moving this article to David Gilbert. which nobody so far has proposed. The status quo is actually a WP:PDAB, which is discouraged in most cases. 162 etc. (talk) 21:27, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- The guideline states "In individual cases consensus may determine that a parenthetically disambiguated title that is still ambiguous has a primary topic, but the threshold for identifying a primary topic for such titles is higher than for a title without parenthetical disambiguation." WP:PDAB is just an information page, and while I agree partial disambiguation is discouraged in most cases, it is definitely not discouraged in cases like this, where one of two articles is overwhelmingly the primary topic for the disambiguated title. Station1 (talk) 21:49, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- WP:PRIMARYTOPIC would mean moving this article to David Gilbert. which nobody so far has proposed. The status quo is actually a WP:PDAB, which is discouraged in most cases. 162 etc. (talk) 21:27, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. In my "Support" vote, above, I noted that "The incomplete disambiguation David Gilbert (snooker player) should redirect to the David Gilbert#Sports dab page." However, I neglected to further note that the other incomplete disambiguation — Dave Gilbert (snooker player) — should likewise redirect to the David Gilbert#Sports dab page, rather than redirecting, as it currently does, to the article for David Gilbert (snooker player). —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 21:39, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
- Agree that the DABs and redirects need some sorting out, but still oppose the move as per Lee Vilenski comment above. Alan (talk) 09:47, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
- Another alternative option would be to oppose this nomination — David Gilbert (snooker player) → David Gilbert (snooker player, born 1981) — but to pair this oppose vote with a support vote for Dave Gilbert (snooker player, born 1961) → Dave Gilbert (snooker player), with a hatnote atop each snooker player's entry pointing to the other.
- There are 42 inline cites as well as database entry at the bottom of the article for the 1981-born snooker player named "David Gilbert", with none referencing him as "Dave Gilbert", thus it does not appear to be helpful for the 1961-born Dave Gilbert (snooker player) redirecting to the 1981-born David Gilbert (snooker player). —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 02:15, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
- It looks like the only reason Dave Gilbert (snooker player) redirects here is because it was created 5 years before the Dave Gilbert (snooker player, born 1961) article was created. The redirect is hardly used (only 46 hits all year so far), so no reason the 1961 player couldn't be moved there. Station1 (talk) 06:07, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah, I'd support such a move Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 10:38, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
- Makes sense. As long as the David Gilbert (snooker player) article stays as it is. It already has a hatnote for Dave Gilbert (snooker player, born 1961), so it's only the DABs and redirects that need sorting out. Alan (talk) 10:52, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
- So David Gilbert is always known as David, and never ever as Dave? In that case, then yes, we could move Dave Gilbert (snooker player, born 1961) → Dave Gilbert (snooker player). 162 etc. (talk) 01:47, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
- Some commentators refer to him as Dave, but all Davids get called Dave occasionally. However, one of our main sources snooker.org uses the same naming convention that we have: David Gilbert and Dave Gilbert. Also the WST refers to him as David Gilbert. Alan (talk) 13:08, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
- So David Gilbert is always known as David, and never ever as Dave? In that case, then yes, we could move Dave Gilbert (snooker player, born 1961) → Dave Gilbert (snooker player). 162 etc. (talk) 01:47, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
- Makes sense. As long as the David Gilbert (snooker player) article stays as it is. It already has a hatnote for Dave Gilbert (snooker player, born 1961), so it's only the DABs and redirects that need sorting out. Alan (talk) 10:52, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah, I'd support such a move Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 10:38, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
- It looks like the only reason Dave Gilbert (snooker player) redirects here is because it was created 5 years before the Dave Gilbert (snooker player, born 1961) article was created. The redirect is hardly used (only 46 hits all year so far), so no reason the 1961 player couldn't be moved there. Station1 (talk) 06:07, 12 December 2024 (UTC)